monumentally new moment

Permaculture images (rather poor material compared to what's needed)

2006-05-19T17:08:00.000+01:00

http://www.commonvision.org/index.php?id=117 March 7, 2006 crossposts:
Transforming Concrete Jungles into Urban Orchards and offers fruittree tours
treehugger.com/files/2006/03/transforming_co.php

flickr.com/search/?q=permaculture 548 picccies found --- I see a need, have an urge (and even see a way within this lifetime) but for many others who have watched or heard that shameful parliamentarian spectacle of sterility and held breath stopped motion ‘pat stelling’ (deadlock) last night I fear it will be a long way yet.

flickr.com/photos/permchuck/page9/946 photos (most seem to be about a permaculture course, at least up to page 12 (which has a bunch of them marker scribbled classkeywordsheets)

flickr.com/photos/allanchristensen/page4/ backpacks about to cool spots, covers architecture (toronto area farms and others, mudbrick at rainbowvalley farm matakana) as much as book covers; over a 1000 pics; made it halfway throught them without getting bored, saving rest for laydur.

flickr.com/photos/kramerhawks/sets/1528744/ 80 pics of vietnamese permaculture

flickr.com/photos/guano/95316700/ the couple that was eaten by bears

flickr.com/photos/markgraham/125693016/ bambam who held a sign up in the early 90s Rolling Stone article on rainbow gatherings in
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=rainbow+gathering&page=10 carry on with this next time

flickr.com/photos/84098329@N00/sets/1439565/show/
blopsgot Lenny refuses to be ‘enemies’ but reserves the right to say ‘sleazebag’ if he feels like it (nobody can draw the same line twice). Signatures are good to sprinkle on shit.
Do trends in savings and borrowings reflect thickening and thinning of soil?

Some related material:

http://wijblijvenhier.nl/index.php?url=archives/547-Poetic-Pilgrimage.html&serendipity[csuccess]=true
Listening, I find the desert wind machine more telling and an even better warning than the claptrap of our feistily verbalizing adulatresses. May I remind you some inside and many more outside this type of idolization opposing camps (with each their own chimpchamp to be idolaat and fill books about, build thrones and tombs for) remember Muhammed differently. Besides or instead of the great galactic insight he may well have had too or not, many Hindu for instance, see him as an ordinary, vindictive thug and warlord, scheming after power and who left a book that was not less but more than the bible dripping with bloodshed. The only comfort being that it was to be the conclusion. Well, let’s put that to the test then. Fucking destroy all Bibles, all Qurans and the shit they are a failed reaction against and see if peace won’t appear and deserts turn green. End strenuous thought excercise.

::::::::half as long: Listening, I find the desert wind machine more telling than the claptrap of our feistily verbalizing adulatresses. May I remind you many remember Muhammed as an ordinary, vindictive thug and warlord after power and who left a book that was not less but more than the bible dripping with bloodshed. The only comfort being that it was to be the conclusion. Well, let’s put that to the test then. Fucking destroy all Bibles, all Qurans and see if peace won’t appear.

http://www.grain.org/briefings/?id=194
Available in PDF: (198k) Translation(s): français español
Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis
GRAIN February 2006

Why is Laos an exception?
The principal reason why Laos has not suffered widespread bird flu outbreaks like its neighbours is that there is almost no contact between its small-scale poultry farms, which produce nearly all of the domestic poultry supply, and its commercial operations, which are integrated with foreign poultry companies. According to the US Department of Agriculture:
The poultry industry in Laos is predominantly one of smallholders, raising free-range, local chicken breeds nearby their dwellings for meat and eggs, mostly consumed by the household or sold locally for income … An average village has around 350 chickens, ducks, turkeys and quail being raised in small flocks interspersed among village homes by about 78 families, with women primarily responsible for the flocks. Ducks, turkey, and quail are also raised, with negligible amounts of geese found scattered around the country. The few commercial operations (less than 100 total, with 89 of these located near Vientiane) in the country supply nearby metropolitan areas … Biosecurity and technology utilization are minimal, with little available veterinary care from either private or government sources. [24] grain.org/briefings/?id=194#_ftn24
many informative with telling titles like 'patents and pandemics'

Lowlands permaculture: http://www.permacultuur.be/links.htm
zuinigst.nl/ind..=345&Itemid=91

http://www.bbcfactual.co.uk/private_life_of_plants.htm nice picture

no thing standardizes like a stupidity

2006-04-24T15:29:00.000+01:00

Quoting Jose Arguelles (who thinks he is a reincarnated Maya king) from his latest book (Chronicles):
“Without the lubrication of the knowledge of the suffering of all beings there could not be the universal solvent that makes the whole order of Cosmic History. The whole order is dependent on there being a lake of dissolution of all beings through suffering and creating a universal solvent with the template of cosmic history.”
“The 5th dimension no longer has reincarnation (biogenic migration).”
Then he comes up with the ‘finite amount of biomass’ bullshit again:
Rebirth of spirit essence ‘co-occurs with death, raccoon dies here, another born there.
No mention of transmigration until the next alinea, just an abrupt closing remark on extinction.
“Dissolution of the cloud covering of the materialist belief system is the purpose of Cosmic History – only then can the clear mental field of the human shine through as the planetary mental field.”
And this is the inhouse strategist/shaman leader/divine messenger of the rainbow family (to whom he appeals and amongst which he moves)? He wants to use clouds in a metaphor only to ‘transform, transmute and dissolve’ them with his noospheric armament? That has to be the most offensive distraction from permaculture principles (sun and rain as equals and equally necessary) I can imagine, given that the implementation of them is his repeatedly stated goal (when he is not too busy with his mind over matter sleighs of hand that is). In a work about the Quran, no longer online, he says every presentation has to include the gist of it but he has backed down from that promise to himself pretty obviously too. Speaking of which, here’s his definition of terror = “most alien subconstruct of materialist domination, an idealized rejection embracing practice.”---------------------------------------------------------------
I have hundreds of K worth of similar argumentation (not online at the mo) similar to the following:The more highfaluting the consequence determinations and divinatory ausgekluegeltheit of yea or nay done decisions ‘grow’, the more such lead ups/ins can set up as permanent let downs and distractions. Why feed monsters? Why not start (the soildeepening soary up((grade))story) the rightway round?
Pause and take a moment to direct your attention to the bottom of the mobility/organization spectrum, rather than carry on displacing these with one tall order of farflung and dizzying faultline frequency and fractality fetishization of lots and lots of little fundamental factor formulas and cerebral acrobatics after another.
A decision to do dust spells rock unravelment and into-life-giving (via compost heap and all as yet ((hurry, offer lasts only while supplies last)) photosynthesis active locales) begun as humble as that (most primary of priming acts) has best chances to reach great heights while retaining some consistency, remaining in touch and maintaining good relations with their more and more unsuprisingly most effective causation as the ladders of life lenghten, dance, twist, spin, mix, mingle, and whirl along growth’s manifacetted pathways and flowforms.
To reiterate: largest most lasting common and common denominator and only with good conscience actionable cause (celebre) is tickling rock out of its 3rd dimension to ad-/emit into 4th. Help it from being stuck up, in reserve version of time to become less ponderously shut off from and aloof about it. Turn the tables and devalue the whole devilishly suffocating symbolic system complex.

William Irwin Thomson post over at http://pundude.blogspot.com Here's a teaser to help you over there:

Throughout this study of literature and the evolution of consciousness, I have used the metaphor of the catastrophe of bifurcation and said that humanity is experiencing a catastrophe bifurcation in the emergence of the new global civilization. “Catastrophe” is a word that English has taken from Greek; it means, “to turn over.” When we turn over material in a compost heap, we create a catastrophe for the anaerobic bacteria in the rotting garbage as we suddenly flood them with oxygen and sunlight. The chaos dynamists say that there are three kinds of catastrophes: subtle, explosive, and “out of the blue.” The mathematicians’ use of these poetic metaphors makes me feel as if it is quite all right for me to return the favor and use their idea of a catastrophe bifurcation as a poetic metaphor for a cultural transformation of history. Since I have been arguing all along that literature and mathematics have been inseparably linked throughout history in the arithmetic, geometric, dynamical, and now chaos dynamic mentalities, this collaboration between metaphor and math is quite appropriate. Since I am a cultural historian and not a prophet, I have no idea whether this catastrophe will be subtle, explosive or out of the blue. I tend to think that our process of global cultural transformation is so complex a dynamic that it will be all three at once. The economic shift is subtle, the cultural shift is explosive, and the spiritual one is out of the blue.

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2006/04/gorilla-theater.html
"The main enemy of Zionism is truth."

Ehh, I know what you mean . .but eh .. .truth is nobody's zionist you enemy! Not even your animus can make zionism make truth into an enemy and luckily nothing can.

Tell you what, X, Rowan and all the others who insist there is this o so great difference between strains of semitisand suckers. It is easy being Islam's greatest friend if you don't live anywhere close to a large enough concentration of their spawn (spoiled rotten. I am not talking about the severely oppressed or the supposed solidarity of the former with the latter either). I order you to take your next holiday in the ban-lieu or where Muhammed Bouyeri grew up maybe .. .but your letterfiltered life imperative/handicap won't let you I am sure.

Don't you try to describe how the holier than thou any gender, class or race sporting speciment deems/thinks 'it'self, the worse they act and the more stupendously bad they will and declare a desire to perform? And that zionism sprouts, trains and brings the strongest team to the pokertable everytime?

Aren't human vices magnets for satire, cartoons etcetera?

The hypocrisy lies in cartoons thrown after bombs, not in the fact the cartoons aren't truthful, specially if they make exactly that clear on 1 go instead of having some focus to the exclusion of, but was/is that the complaint. No!!!! The prophet and his taskmaster are to be feared not to be made fun of.

finally get to pick over my google alerts

2006-01-19T09:09:00.000Z

The Rape of Palestine
CounterPunch - Petrolia,CA,USA
By WILLIAM A. COOK. "The Lord hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and hath kindled a fire in Zion, and ...

Images of Real Eco-Terrorism in Twaneh
CounterPunch - Petrolia,CA,USA
By NEVE GORDON. Anat Rosenwaks and I just came back from Twaneh where 120 olive trees, which belong to the Amor family (planted in ...

just a minute ago I posted some comments from Mary's blog at another one of mine

currency research group snippets

2005-12-21T19:17:00.000Z

http://www.theclassactionsuit.com/ gets people out of debt on the grounds that the money lent to them is fake ?????????????

A comment, a quote and some more comment:

4665 From: "William B. Ryan" Date: Wed Dec 7, 2005 5:41pm
Subject: Re: How to get free money to start a CC community and start printing bills
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So, ijccr becomes the conveying point for financialscams.

I can assure you that federal jail cells await thepurveyors of such scams that prey on the vulnerableand gullible. Bank fraud is after all a federal crime in the United States, and is an extraditable offense in most jurisdictions throughout the world, including Canada and Italy. It also falls under the RICOstatutes for organized criminal conspiracy, alsoextraditable.
This is what in the law is termed a materially false statement:
"The awards for damages that The Group arranges forit's clients are appropriate, due to the fact thatdebt lenders have NOTHING at risk when they make a'loan', due to their NON-DISCLOSED practice ofcreating 'credit money' out of NOTHING, 'lending' itout, and collecting principal and interest paymentsfrom customers on the resulting fraudulent contract."
It's one thing to spew such rank nonsense on discussion lists like this, which, in the sprit offree speech, is a forum for the venting of cranks. Itis quite another to use sophisticated multi-levelmarketing schemes to promote such crap to fleece thepublic.
In the fractional reserve system, each and every lender is individually at risk for its reserve deposit balances in other financial institutions that are required to clear transactions between institutions.

Bad loans represent debits to their individualclearing balances, which they recover only by costingthem into the "price" paid by their customers forfinancial services who do not default.
It is this clearing function that makes bank depositsfungible, acceptable by every seller of goods andservices in the economy.
And without it, the modern economy could not function.

Hi all
I'm afraid that I have to admot to agreeing with wbr here.
He asks
> So, ijccr becomes the conveying point for financial> scams.
in relation to the topic.
I would also try to paraphrase what I think mr grumpy bum was trying to express, to wit
According to Douglas, interest exists and servres several purposes. The factthat it redisributes wealth from the poor to the wealthy can be ameliorated by redistributing that money in a more socially just manner.
Maybe I get that wrong. Anyway, the core business of this list is to discuss alternatives to the current money paradigm, not just about reforming it. Trying to discredit, or corrupt such a goal is unhelpful.
cheers Graeme Taylor

financialoutrage.org.uk/..
Returning the money to the people

http://www.complementarycurrency.org/

http://www.appropriate-economics.org/

From: Levi Philos Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:27 pm
Subject: Rothbard Critique of White's book on Free Banking in Britain
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I just up loaded a rtf format file that is Rothbard's critique of
White's book on free banking in Britain.
The original was a pdf file of scanned images from the original thatappeared as a book review in The Review of Austrian Economics.http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/R2_15.pdf
I found the link on a Rothbard link page:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/mdewit/rationalistrothbard.htm
The new file may be found in the files area of the IJCCR forum group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ijccr/files/
I consider this to be a revealing and important critique because I
find it correct. I have read both Hayek's book DENATIONALIZATION OFMONEY and George Selgin's 1988 book on free banking. My recent workon the behalf of Mr. Thomas Greco and the website http://www.reinventingmoney.com/ involves re-creating a book from 1872 that is about banking in Scotland from 1800 to 1865 +/- a bit. FactsI have learned from this effort refute some of what both Hayek andSelgin say.
There is one error in Rothbard's critique. (I have one advantage overRothbard in that I am in possession of scanned images of an 1872 book onScottish banking that Rothbard did not have.) Rothbard says on thesecond page of the rtf file that "specie reserves held by the Scottishbanks had averaged from 10 to 20 percent in the second half of theeighteenth century, but then had dropped sharply to a range of less than1 to 3 percent in the first half of the nineteenth." The book that Ihave from 1872 shows differently. Reserves varied from bank to bank(they were functioning in an independent manner) and without checking myfiles but rather from my faulty memory I believe the actual reservesvaried from a high of nearly 60% to a low of roughly 10-20%. That is tosay, Rothbard, who is quoting White only for this figure should probablyhave checked his other sources.
The point I am trying to make here, is there HAS NEVER BEEN 100%RESERVES.
This revealing FACTUAL INFORMATION has led me to a different conclusion.Do your own search for "real bills doctrine" and perhaps you will agreewith my conclusion. My conclusion is that neither gold nor silveractually ever set the price for all commodities, finished goods, andlabor based services. Greco has been saying for some time that what buysthe products of human endeavor are other products of human effort andthe clearance function where banks settle differences between contractsis a very important function to understand.
What I have been trying to prove lately is the actual function ofthe deposits of specie - IS TO ACT AS A PERFORMANCE BOND.
In footnote #18 Rothbard quotes Mises in HUMAN ACTION page 443: "What isneeded to prevent any further credit expansion is to place the bankingbusiness under the general rules of commercial and civil laws compellingevery individual and firm to fulfill all obligations in full compliancewith the terms of the contract."
Now, Mises was presuming that all contracts would be written in termsreflecting the price of gold. Many people on these lists already know we (in the western world) are already functioning under commercial laws where establishment of who is the debtor and who is the creditor is the first question and there is no final settlement of contractavailable in specie of any type.
However, if my thesis about performance bonds is correct, then thiscan be a useful tool for anyone wishing to work with alternative money system models. Recognition of the performance bond role meansthat a variety of things can function as performance bonds just aslong as they have a wide market and easy liquidity. It opens the doorto models where the unit of exchange is time and deposits of valuablesare referenced that can beliquidated if contracts are dishonored.
Your feedback is welcome, but I would appreciate it if you would carbon copy your response to me personally with "Rothbard" in the subject line.
Levi Philos

> http://www.barter-software.com/
> http://www.ozonebarter.com/
sound like genuine folks

openbarter.net/Wikka/WhyBarterCanBeUsefull?

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"Beria--My Father: Inside Stalin's Kremlin" reviewed by TNR

2005-12-09T14:27:00.000Z

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=kotkin033103

Truth and Consequences
by Stephen Kotkin

Post date 03.22.03 | Issue date 03.31.03

Khrushchev: The Man and His Era
By William Taubman
(W.W. Norton, 876 pp., $35)

Beria--My Father: Inside Stalin's Kremlin
By Sergo Beria
(Viking, 305 pp., $25.95)

Alexandr Dugin quotes Jacov Bromberg, Mikail Agursky in "the jews and eurasia"

2005-12-06T16:08:00.000Z

keep in mind that the colour coding I added to the text is mirrored (reversed in present day American conditions: coastal states are predominantly liberal and assigned and/or have adopted the colour blue, landlocked religious and rightish ones the colour red.

- After the Bolshevik revolution the "Jewish Occidentalism" as a whole backed the "white" side, and despite its racial affinity to the Bolshevik leaders, it did not recognize itself in the universalist and mystic-oriented "Jewish Orientalists". Just as the Russians were divided during the revolution between "white" and "red", — also on the basis of deep-rooted archetypal features (but this requires a separate discussion), — Hebraism too was broken in a political sense, along a deep-rooted line much earlier outlined, in two inter-Jewish camps — Hassidic-Kabbalists (Bolsheviks), on the one side, and Talmudist-rationalists (illuminist, bourgeois-capitalist) — on the other. So, the typology of Bromberg-Agursky based on historical examples reconfirms that conclusion to which we came following a purely logical path: Hebraism, though representing an ethno-religious unity (which is not so obvious yet!), is nevertheless essentially divided in two camps, two "orders", two "communities", two types, which in definite critical situations show not only difference, but also fundamental hostility. Each of these poles has both religious and secular expressions, remaining essentially uniform. "Jewish Orientalism", "Jewish Eurasism" (according to Bromberg) or "Jewish National-Bolshevism" (according to Agursky) comprises in itself a religious level — Hassidism, Sabbatianism, Kabbalah — and a secular level — Marxism, revolutionary socialism, Populism, Bolshevism. "Jewish Occidentalism" also is dual ; in it the religious plan coincides with Maimonidean rationalistic Talmudism (later shown in the Gaons [great sages] of Vilnius, the "Mitnagedim" centres, the anti-Hassidic circles), and the secular version is expressed in liberal-democratic, "enlightened" humanism.

4. Two examples

The fundamental duality we discovered instantly explains a set of factors which remained unclear and paradoxical according to different interpretation methodologies. In particular, a logical explanation is found for the mysterious phenomenon of the so-called "Jewish anti-Semitism". So, Marx’s criticism of Lassalle, in which Marx used extremely Judeophobic expression, and also the considerably anti-Jewish passages in Marx as a whole, identifying Judaism with capitalism, become completely clear, as the Jew Marx from every point of view unambiguously belongs to the mystic-Hassidic, Messianic type, which traditionally sees in bourgeoisie and capitalism — where the relevant role both in philosophical and in common sense is played by the Jews — the main enemy.

In his paper "On the Jewish Question" Marx wrote : "What are secular bases of Hebraism? Material needs, self-interest. What is the earthly ideal of the Jew? Selling. Who is his earthly god? Money.. .. Money – here is the zealous deity of Israel. The empirical essence of Hebraism is trade". Let's notice this underlining of the terms "secular", "empirical". Marx as though hints at two sides. One of them is the material, immanent side, which he, without much ceremonies, labels and throws away as the incarnation of negativeness (let us remind of that truly demonic, anti-Christian role, which Marx attributed to Capital). The second side — not secular, not empirical, transcendental. This represents, according to our reconstruction, the Communist-oriented Jewish mysticism.

Another example. In its times, a group of Kabbalists-Zoharites (Kabbalists admirers of the book "Zohar"), followers of the mystic-Kabbalist Jacob Frank, collectively converted to Christianity, contemporarily "exposing" the odious rites of the Talmudists (Rabbinites), primordial enemies. The Jewish historian G.L.Shtrak in the book "Blood in Beliefs and Superstitions of Mankind" so describes the conflict between the followers of Frank and the Talmudists : "In 1759 they (Frankists — A.D.) have pronounced to the archbishop Bratislav Lyubensky, that they craved for baptisms, as a deer for a source of water, and tendered to demonstrate, "that the Talmudists spill more innocent Christian blood than the pagans, crave for it and use it". At the same time, they asked him to designate for them a dwelling places east of Lemberg, so that they could live there by the work of hands, while "Talmudists-shinkari cultivate drunkenness, drink the blood of the poor Christians and squeeze them up to last dime. (...) Soon after the dispute, under the insistence of the Polish clergy, they accepted baptism for about a thousand Zoharites". In these two examples we see the unity of spiritual opposition at various levels. The atheist Marx identifies Capital with the figure of the "Jew", and on this basis accurses also the Jews and their "empirical deity". Mysticist "Frankists" accurse the Talmudists on a completely different basis, reproaching them — according to the level of the whole polemic — to "drink the blood of the Christians". It is striking, how in the Zoharites the social motives emerges: "Rabbinites squeeze the Christians up to last dime", and Zoharites are going to "to live by the works of hands". The spiritual conflict of mystics-mythologists, Gnostics, zealots and spiritualists against religious moralists, supporters of pure rite, cult formalists, as though uncounsciously and naturally is shifted to the opposition of socialists and capitalists, Bolsheviks and liberal-democrats. In Bromberg’s terminology, it is already not difficult at all to identify Marx and zoharites with "Jewish orientalism", and capitalists and Rabbinites with the "occidentalists." Everything converges.

5. Jews against Jews

Now we shall project the outlined scheme on the Soviet history and discover there the role of the Jews. As a whole, Hebraism on the eve of the revolution was united in its opposition to the existing regime. It concerned both sectors. The Jews-Orientalists were opposed to capitalism and religious conservatism, alienation and formalism in the sphere of culture, craved for a revolutionary change and the opening of the magic aeon of Messianic kingdom. The Jews-Occidentalists did not accept Czarism for completely different reasons, including its backward, insufficiently capitalist, civilized and humanist regime, subject to perfectioning up to the level of the Western civilization. All Hebraism as a whole was solidary in the necessity of overthrowing the dynasty and of the revolution. In it they found allies both among the nationalist Russian periphery, dreaming about shattering the "prison of the peoples", and among the "left-wing nationalists" from the same Russian environment, perceiving the Romanov-Petersburg regime as an anti--national, anti-patriotic, anti-spiritual parody of the genuine Sacred Rus'. Besides, enough Occidentalists were also among the Russian nobility and Russian merchantry actively busy with contemporary Russian capitalism, spoiling the last "cherry orchards" of a quickly degenerating aristocracy. The united action of all these forces, once a favourable situation was present, accomplished the February revolution. But immediately after it the unsolved contradictions within the winning camp emerged. After the overthrowal of the imperial regime, with a second line of fracture (this time internal) appeared very clearly, and this predetermined all the following events. After the February revolution on the foreground there was an opposition of revolutionary and evolutionary forces, left Orientalists and left Occidentalists, Eurasists and Europeists. This fundamental dualism of kinds was very clearly evident also in the Jewish environment itself. The Bolshevik pole had gathered in itself the representatives of "Jewish orientalism", the Hassidic-Kabbalist kind, Jews-communists, Jews-socialists — those, which at the end of the XVIII century wanted "to live by the works of arm". This labour, eschatologist, universalist, mostly Russophile Hebraism solidarized with the National-Bolshevik Russian current of "left imperialists", seeing in the October revolution not the end of the national dream, but its beginning, a new red dawn, the second coming of the Soviet Rus', of the secret Kitezh of the staroobryadetsi, lost in the dark bicentenary of St.Petersburg’s synodal unsacred parody. Bolshevism had gradually absorbed in itself not only the Marxist-Orthodox, but a large number of SR, specially left-wing SR, which could be defined as the Russian analogues of the National-Revolutionaries. In a word, the Jewish organizing into the Bolshevik ranks represent the logical and triumphal conclusion of the historical path for the enormous organic Jewish sector, the roots of which lay in the distant religious disputes of a gray Middle Age. As the enemies of this eschatological community of "Jews-Orientalists" stood all the capitalists of the world, and specially the Jewish bourgeois, secular, empirical (on Marx’s expression) incarnation of the the ancient Rabbinites. From here also the paradoxical Bolshevist "anti-Semitism", not alien also to many Jews-Communists. Agursky refers in his work a most interesting case, when the Jew Vladimir Tan-Bogoraz intercedes for a Russian Bolshevik who has afforded a rough anti-Semitic tirade, not only intercedes, but fully justifies him. How this resembles the quoted story of Zoharites! By the way, we find something similar also in other spheres. So, for example, the famous founder of the Bavarian lodge "Thule", preparing the birth of the National-Socialist Workers Party of Germany, Baron von Sebottendorf, in his time was initiated to the "Egyptian Masonry" in Turkey by a married couple of Jews-Sabbatians and from them received the bases of esoteric science. But thus he himself differed from manifest anti-Semitism (not to mention the about ordinary Nazis). A Jewish (specially Sabbatian) trace can be found also in a number of other strongly nationalist, sometimes,openly racist or anti-Semitic organizations — both European (Masonic), and Eastern (Young Turks). On the other hand, anti-Semitism could be directed also to the opposite side, and and in this case its bearers could quite be either Jews or politicians controlled by them. So, for example, are widely known the anti-Semitic expressions of Churchill, who, referring to the Jewish origin of the majority of the Bolshevist leaders, spoke about "the Jewish menace, threatening civilization from the East". Thus Lord Churchill in his political career leaned on the right-wing Zionist circles of Great Britain and the US, as Douglas Reed convincingly shows. Hence, just as there exists "right" and "left" Hebraism, so there is a "right" and "left-wing" anti-Semitism. Thus also in this question we come to a more complex pattern. From February to October: there passes the watershed between the two halves of the Jewish world, and since a definite moment this opposition acquires its most severe forms. In extreme cases the representatives of both camps resort in their polemic to argumentations almost not dissimilar from the rough vulgar speech of the anti-Semites. But this is not all. At the climax of confrontation, the collision acquires the nature of war of physical destruction, as we see in the history of Stalin purges among the ranks of the Soviet government.

6. To live by the work of hands

There is no doubt that the Jews differ by their unique ability in some social, economic and cultural areas. Centuries of diaspora have taught a lot to a small but resistant, persistent people wishing not to miss their ancient dream, their millennial religion, their remote promise. Looking at everything around as something temporary, distant, transitory, the Jews have worked out a number of striking dynamical features allowing them to be instantly guided into social dynamics, in the rapidly ongoing processes of a state and national scale, flowing into the environment of the "big peoples", which, "being always at home", understood everything with a definite lag, with slow, a-posteriori reflection. But these skills could be differently used in the different situations. So, the Jews-Bolsheviks have gathered all efforts, all national talents, all spiritual powers to the creation of the most powerful Soviet state, the empire of social justice, the Eurasist bastion of overland geopolitics. And the manifold elements of the Jewish diaspora in Europe, America, Asia, coming from the same religious-spiritual, mystical, spiritually "Orientalist", "Eurasist" environments, were for long decades a structural support for the Soviets, the geopolitical agents of the Great Eurasia, the guides of Bolshevist Messianism. It was just them who basically formed the Third International, later Comintern, the powerful Eurasian network, the subtle agency of Moscow in every corner of the planet. But again, we shall stress that we are not simply talking about the Jews, but about a special category of Jews, about a special Jewish camp, about the "Jews-Eurasists". By the way, at a definite stage they, these "red-brown" Jews-Eurasists also have prepared the creation of the state of Israel, having started under the direction (and the approval) of Moscow a hard fight with the English-Atlantists, with the forces of capital and liberal democracy. They formted the axis of the Israeli left-wing forces, a fruit of whose efforts were the famous kibbutz.

Again, the same Zoharite "to live by works of hands."

The apologists of Hebraism as such, exhibiting all Jews as extremely innocent victims, can find no way to explain why, in times of severe repression as the Leninist and Stalinist purges, Jews were not only the victims, but also the jailers ; and not only individually, as single persons, but just as a group, a party, a faction. This circumstance - never explained either in the anti-Semitic, or in the Judeophile framework - can be actually explained, since under the Soviet power the internal fight within Hebraism did not cease : Bolshevik, "Hassidic", "Zoharite" elements well knowing the skills and the snake-like moods of their own co-nationals, their taste for intrigues, chameleonism, conspiracies, mercilessly fought the bourgeois elements of Hebraism, together with the residuals of "Jews-Occidentalists", the heirs of "Rabbinite" spirit, the ideological descendants of the "Mitnagedim." From here also stems the paradox — why at the centre of purges of clear anti-Semitic accent there stood always and everywhere also Jews. A classic example of such position can be found in Lazarus Kaganovich, most loyal follower of Stalin, convinced and staunch National-Bolshevik, whom the Russian Nationalists, completely misunderstanding, have unfairly turned into an emblematic figure of "Jewish conspirator". It would be difficult to invent a greater "anti-Semite" (in its anti-Talmudical sense). How the internal drama Soviet Hebraism evolved in the times of Lenin and Stalin - this was a passionate, heroic, epoch, full of ups and downs, which (we have no doubt) one day will be conveniently and detailedly described.

7. From crisis to collapse

The critical point in the history of Jewish Eurasism is 1948. In this moment Stalin and his entourage come to the conclusion that with a creation of the State of Israel - which right at the beginning had been enthusiastically supported by the Soviet government (as a Hassidic-socialist construction) - proved an instrument of the bourgeois West, as the line of the capitalists – "Mitnagedim" gained supremacy in it. Zionist tendencies began to be awoken also in Soviet Hebraism, and it meant that the initiative was passing to the residuals of the "Occidentalist" sector, whose total eradication was only apparent and whose damage aroused even the vigilant suspicions of the Jews-Eurasists. This moment was fatal — as shown by the last events of the end of our century — for the whole Soviet state, for socialism all over the world. When the anti-Semitic tendency within the Soviet government grew beyond definite limits — especially scandalous was the destruction of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, entirely made of convinced Eurasists and direct agents of Lavrenti Beria (which speaks only to their benefit) — only the most resistant Jew-National-Bolsheviks (the same Kaganovich) could remain unshakable on Russophile, Soviet-imperial positions. As a whole, in the eyes of the Jewish mass the influence of the Eurasists was sufficiently weakened, and their basic geopolitical and ideological line essentially discredited. On the other hand, from the party and military environment the highest power positions began to be restricted to the Great-Russian and Small-Russian [i.e. Ukrainian] elements, far from being able to clearly understand the Messianic path of left-wing Nationalism, Messianic National-Bolshevism, founding the spiritual union of Jewish and Russian Eurasists since the beginning of the century. This new generation felt itself more as étatistes, than apostles of a New Truth, inheriting either the military "Romanovian" spirit of the Czarist caste of war-specialists, not fully eradicated by the Bolsheviks - or the simple Populists, workers-peasants chauvinism with a definite component of unreflective, instinctive anti-Semitism. These army cadres, not knowing the revolution and the supreme spiritual, historical effort that accompany it, did not penetrate into the subtleties of national politics. A singular deafness to this issue was a typical mark of those from Ukraine, who since a definite time — together with Khrushchev — began to occupy more and more tightly the supreme powers in the USSR. And, though immediately after the death of Stalin Beria completely stopped the anti-Semitic "affair of the doctors", the irreparable had occurred. Further there happened the fatal crisis. The Russian-Jewish, Eurasian-continental, international-imperial, Messianic, revolutionary current being the verterbal column of the Soviet Power, was weakened, cracked, deformed at its base. State, authority, economic organisms began to operate inertially. The purges, at whose roots always invariably the fundamental ideological, metapolitical reasons laid hidden, were over, and in their place came the fuzz of clans, the gradual "embourgeoisement" of socialism, its sliding into philistinism, into meanness. Revolutionary eschatological pathos vanished. The Soviet state was left to keep on only inertially. The world base of the eschatological Eurasist revolution had essentially turned into a normal state. Powerful, great, original, but deprived of the heat of its original ecumenical mission. At the level of Hebraism this meant the full defeat of the "Hassidic-Sabbatian" camp and the gradual coming to primary roles of the Jews-rationalists, Kantians, humanists, Mitnagedim, Occidentalists. The secret alliance to National-Bolshevism was terminated, Jewish Orientalism was quickly marginalized. Its influence, its positions catastrophically fell. Gradually the type of the Jew-Bolshevik was pushed to the edge, and within the leadership of the Jewish community in the USSR the representatives of Maimonides, Talmudical brand were put forward. More often in a secular, humanist-liberal version. This bourgeois, right-wing Zionist flank henceforth worked only to the collapse of the Soviet formation, prepared the great collapse of socialism, undermined this giant geopolitical construction from the inside. By the way, in unison with this destructive anti-Eurasian tendency worked also definite anti-Semitic circles within the KGB – this only aggravated the dissolving of that spiritual, cultural and ideological synthesis, which was the mysterious propellant of the original Bolshevism, of National-Bolshevism. Anyway, the collapse of the Soviet State was the direct result of the withdrawal of the Jewish lobby from the creative statalist Bolshevik position and its direct or indirect complicity with the hostile anti-Soviet Atlantist capitalist West.

Black recruit percentage down 41 percent since 2000

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http://montages.blogspot.com/2005/03/black-army-recruits-down-41-since-2000.html

Update: here's a quote and rather denunciatory comment:

Yoshie:> The volunteer military in the United States depends on the working-> poor draft. Rather than drafting the poorest of the poor (whose> physical health is too poor, whose education too neglected, whose> criminal record too extensive, whose attitudes too badass, etc.), the> Pentagon preys on the sons and daughters of the working poor (those> whose parents are relatively regularly employed, earn too much [the> household income of $25,000-40,000 heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/loader.cfm?url..85094>] to qualify for most or all forms of means-> tested public assistance and need-based grants [cf. "Department of> Education to Tighten Pell Grant Eligibility," 2004/EDUCATION/12/23/pell.grants/>], etc., and yet too poor not to> worry about paying bills, especially big-ticket items like health> care and children's' college tuitions).

I think this statement perfectly exemplifies what is wrong with the US Left- its fundamentalist religious belief in a myth, and its inability to thinkcritically beyond that myth. If empirical evidence contradicts that myththe effort is taken to neutralize the evidence rather than revise the myth.Just like the countless dupes all over the world who live miserableexistence and wait for Jesus Christ, Allah, or some other mythicalfather-like figure in the sky to deliver them from their misery if they onlysay the right magic word. I was always curious what makes the human mind fall into the trap of suchreality-defying mythology. People are naturally endowed with intellectualability to think rationally and critically, and many of them, such as Yoshieand others on this list, seem to be otherwise intelligent, thoughtful andcritically thinking people, yet they succumb to reality-defying mythologyfrom time to time. The philosopher of science Imre Lakatos observed a similar tendency amongscientists. Contrary to the conventional view of scientific inquiry whichholds that theories hold as long as they are not refuted by evidence,Lakatos proposed that theories are often preserved in the face ofcontradicting evidence, and efforts are made to insulate the theory fromcontradicting evidence. He called it "problemshifting," which involved twostrategies, progressive and regressive. Progressive problmeshifting isdevising some conceptual contraption that explains the contradictingevidence without undermining the core assumptions of the theory to beprotected (e.g. implied non-rational motivation of human actors to explainthe poor predictive power of the rational-choice model). Regressiveproblemshift is reducing the empirical scope of the theory to be protected,usually by recourse to abstract speculation (e.g. mathematical modeling ineconomics, or linguistic contrivances in "post-modern" theory), or byregression to the founding "principles" (e.g. in certain strains ofCatholic thought in Europe that reduces modernity to philosophicaldiscourses of the antiquity and the medieval times, or in certain strains ofMarxism that reduces modernity to the fundamentals of the Marxist canon). With that in mind, the "working poor draft" and other populist leftistdogmas, such as that the poor have no responsibility for their own actions,and that responsibility rests solely with the elites, or that the existinginstitutional order is nothing but a conspiracy of the elite, are examplesof the regressive problemshift by regression to the founding "principles" ormyths in this particular case.While the mechanisms of "problemshifting" seem to be relatively clear tounderstand, the motives behind it are not. Why do people stick to theirbeliefs or delusions in face of contradicting evidence? Possible explanations range from vested interests in maintaining the statusquo to an affective disorder that makes people fearful of change,uncertainty and ambiguity. The latter obviously requires a psychologicalanalysis of the affected individuals on the pain of becoming a merespeculation and imputation of motives. I will thus leave it as apossibility.On the other hand, vested interest in maintaining the status quo seems tooffer some interesting explanations. Market niche for leftist mythologiesis rather narrow, and that may explain why the producers of such mythologieshave high stakes in maintaining the conventional left myths. Changing theconventional story may reduce the appeal of the myth maker to the alreadysmall market, and put him or her out of business altogether if the marketniches for the new genre is not found - which is a big if. So it is saferto stick to the old trite myths than try new ones. Looking at this form a broader perspective, I think I can understand whywhat passes for the US left tends to be (with exceptions, of course) sogoofy and out of touch. Unlike the European left which maintains itsdistinct institutional power and identity - which also secures aconsiderable market for its intellectual product - the US opposition andprotest movements tend to follow a different trajectory - that of theassimilation to the mainstream. That was suggested, inter alia, by WilliamGamson (_Strategy of the social protest_) who studied various socialmovements throughout hundred fifty or so years of the US history, or ThedaSkocpol (e.g. _Protecting Soldiers and Mothers_ and _Social policy in theUnited States_) who argued that the unusual openness and inclusiveness ofthe US political system was a key factor preventing the crystallization oflabor as a political and institutional force. Stated differently, because of the relatively open and poorly delineatednature of the US party system, the protest movements - or at least itsrational elements - tend to be absorbed into the amorphous mainstream ratherthan crystallizing as a major and separate institutional force. What isleft are more uncompromising, wacky, goofy or simply irrational elementsthat resist "being assimilated" and prefer to live marginal politicalexistence on the periphery. This is why what is distinctively labeled as"left" in this country - as opposed to "liberal or social-democraticmainstream" - seems to be so wacky, irrational, and goofy. The fact of thematter is, however, that these are the fringe elements that would remain onthe periphery of any political system, not just the one with a conservativeleaning, such as the US. I can also understand why European-born lefties, such as Hitchens or forthat matter this writer, become so disillusioned with the US left (point ofclarification, unlike Hitchens I do NOT contemplate defecting to theopposing camp.) They seem to mis-apply the European political categories,which have ample room for the left as being aseparate-yet-part-of-the-mainstream force, to the US, where the mainstreamleft is difficult to distinguish from the Democratic Party, and what islabeled left is mainly fringe cults. As a result they treat these fringeleftish cults as if they were mainstream left and become progressivelyannoyed with their fundamentalism and irrationality. I certainly understand why folks like Hitchens got finally fed up with thisunreasonable attachment of what passes for the "left" to reality-defyingmythologies - albeit I am less clear why he de facto joined the rightinstead of simply embracing the left elements of the Democratic Party. Thelatter is what I would rather do.

Wojtek

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ps: here's a sharp crit of the Heritage crowd (see earlier exchanges between Lacny and Henwood for context):

Doug asks:> Why the fuck are you so angry all the time, anyway?

Because I am full of hatred and envy, as all leftists are. I read that in a Heritage Foundation pamphlet, too. johnlacny.com

Illegal Colonists Take a Chain Saw to Two Hundred Olive Trees

2005-11-29T20:01:00.000Z

Sunday, November 27, 2005

http://umkahlil.blogspot.com/2005/11/..

plands.org/ 40 page in depth background pdf, animations etcetera.

intro to previous item

2005-11-29T18:50:00.000Z

to relieve some of the mystery in the first few sentences of the next post (down ((made previous to this one ..)) and so it goes in topsy turvy b'lowgo land), I am posting a link to an item at one of the over 150 (too social for Soros) shoestring budget indymedia sites that is home turf to one of the constestants mentioned (Gehrig); together he and his spelling partner (Nessie) fought (and are probably still fighting) a heroic war of words that set the tone for blowgoland (time for leggo land?):

Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center: feature/87217 ucimc.org/.. - 280 worth of commenting (racked up in over a month worth of time last summer) under the title: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly: "What's the Matter with Indymedia?" some relevant excerpts at the comments (haloscans) of peacepalestine item called 'Noah Cohen - Repression of palestinian activist in the US'

crowd mary

2005-11-29T16:41:00.000Z

this comments board is getting mighty crowded says Mary (alias thecutter) as 125th commenter to Gilad Atzmon - Peace is not 'shalom' and 'Shalom' is not Sharon

crowded? Mary vs IT (Av) is very weak tea compared to Nessie vs Gehrig . .. (not that I don't prefer herbal infusions to ferment, I do, to the exclusion of even, and am proud to be that kind of picky, must be my drop of sem! itic blood; blessed be, life is an education/obstacle course in choosiness ((at least every now and then, even for the non-specialist second splitter, heart breaker, paper pusher, digit dowser and scroll mole)), the Adamic privilege distribution; man relating to diversity first and foremost, then to fellow man ((yup folks, you read rite; the original and long forgotten, though as I ty! pe reviving (((and if my key punches percolate properly .. . .who knows))), genesis message, once again up for renewal and calibration .. .and not in the sense of links subsumed under this heading: ‘sacred/secret, starlike and scarey symbol shuffle’ at my blogspots but more like Genesis Continuous, look that work by a New Zealander named Hardy up yourselves)) which is way less paroc hial but shows we do best staying steady as we go and right where we are. Not the best council in a world that is dominated by halfbreeds and short temper but in the long run surely good enough once again) .. . .you ought to thank your karma ( 'coremore') for not running into the comment crews on various indymedia flavors and tintackles shackles . . .. (like sf ((slowed the hell down compared to then; this is nessies baby getting more and more overprotected as he’s gotten poorer I guess)), indybay ((took over, scolding daddy for not forking over stuff and retiring)) vancouver ((archives are still online, dig and you’ll see hordes more IT actalikes who ran up their hosts/hostilitytargets/opponents’ bills big time)), victoria, several Middle eastern ones ((buckled and caved from chronic spammerage, hacking, etcetera)), melbourne, indybay . . and pittsburgh lately for instance) .. .. . . several years ago; veritable torrents of ‘emotides’ swept on as much as the truly oppressed wept on; info on anything from the democratization of tyrranicide .. . (suggested with such ((soft))force(( of surveillance))ful ((encryption)) logic ((the meany’s negation of solar distribution)) that the perp ((who called it 'assasination politics’)) had his compi confiscated etcetera) .. .to the price of pretty innocence, all lavishly spiced and periodically sprinkled with those huge slabs of text I mentioned (which haloscan wisely prohibits). Nothing here that hasn't been there thousands of times already and with much deeper shadow dancing. Speaking of which, where does Shamir live! really and whatever happened to Naemi Giladi?

You could thank your 'coremore' on your bare little knees a lot more even if you care to, for not having (had?) ambitions such as mine: to commit curiously colourful counsel to the burial grounds called the kinternet and see if such scribbediscratchiosa wants to act like a seed in the minds of those bizzdizzily buzzy with plottage to go to one capital bash after another capital smash .. .. eh .. the just now so called cross globalists* following the slash and burn trail (just ahead of islam recruiting among those abandoned by all; people that can’t even bargain with their time anymore and are down to bare bone and organs**) and help them lower the priority of (symbolic) cash effectively (they’re clueless regarding best sorts of cash being simple ash, the type that comes about only when successful palchemical mergers or ire and desire turn rock to bread if when time taken which is what money is a given for) despite their willingness to stand in the way of wrongly applied force, and same to help redirect it (all males out of control in the sense of away from command, what say you?) and try help them stand under the ageless sheltering truth.

* I just made a little Quad( )rant zingzang diagram showing aggression and passivity our primal daddy and mommy sociologically speaking with rich and poor exetions of either.

** I just don’t know how folk like IT can deny and invert the clues in/from casualty figures; instead, the likes of him insist on being treated cheaply (not in any return ((no turn made to re there folks, move along, nothing to see here and keep your distance, that of and from other notsees, wait, we’ll herdihelp you since you can notsee the difference nor make it yourselves)) since they never started nuttin’) and dwell on that as root of all evil, prime mover and (some truth in that but it’s their own fathers and mothers responsible for their neediness) magic since removable lever (hell THEIR leverage went around the world so why can’t their o! ld neighbours move over just a little, the sublet is over here and starts there so either way you have no choice besides choosing the choice obsolescing chosen) to the exclusion of soul- and selfsearch regarding the disproportionately dealt ‘response’.

I go:
permaculture.org.au/ watch the movie; it starts out 2 miles from where jesus was baptized (and has a way of going about holding water that holds water.

thecutter:
yes, it was a very good film (You can solve the world's problems with a garden, though was a bit optimistic). My only complaint is that the map used was TOTALLY wrong. It lables Israel and the OPTs as ISRAEL. I hope they change that.

right wing stronghold: easy money

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I am using black and white for my own words in this post:

'll tell you a little secret, what easy money is really good for in fact: stopping lefty elites from feeling irrationally oppressed by the poor (the effects of a depression following healthy / sane economic dicta) and reacting with draconian and genocidal purges.

Earlier this week I posted popular whispers as Kevin MacDonald spells them out (in admissionary): Forming alliances with exploitative elites is arguably the most reliably recurrent theme observable in Jewish economic behavior over the ages.

The review of 'Stalin's willing executioners' I linked to there is a shortened version I find out* to my joy (was well impressed) this is the original pdf at: http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/..

* here: fpp.co.uk/BoD/origins/in_Bolshevism.html

.. .oh by the way, this 'focal point press' is an Irving site and the link was the last addition to his anti-semitism (di)section before he was held in Austria. It's really quite laughable, yesterday WDR showed well rounded right wingers fighting for small town council seats and visiting a disco filled with what Midas Dekkers (great great dutchman, listen to his weekly columns at 3/4ths into all shows archived at vroegevogels.nl and you will fall in love with Dutch quite naturally) has so aptly called larvae; kids who's parents spoiled them with methods that are widely applied to beefcattle and decried by a few and far between folks branded terrorists for their troubles (of course they do feature perfect idiots who's pyromania is diligently copied by other absolutely workaverse members of the lefty protectorate).

amnation.com/vfr/archives/004495.html nov 11 -- KM accused of you know what

anti-semitism should be defended by good and bad but hypocritical jews alike. goat fucker by everybody who realizes Khomeini has quite a bit of clout throughout formerly most pleasant cultural crossroad and deltalands watered by those most famous rivers.

this traditionalist pinc rightwinger also posts this on the 17th:

'Is my criticism of Jewish attitudes the same as Kevin MacDonald’s?' ----

In response to my criticism of Kevin MacDonald’s anti-Semitic critique of the Jews, three readers told me that they saw a similarity between my analysis of Jewish attitudes in my article, “Why Jews Welcome Moslems,” and MacDonald’s argument. What follows is a selection from those exchanges.
amnation.com/vfr/archives/004562.html

::haven't read it yet::

just before landing here I copied a Fukuyama article published on the 2nd of november and analyzing the type of 'youth' that grew up to cut the flower of dutch culture down in the sort of cowardly way that calls for a lifetime of general public operated torture (pulling numbers and filing past to pelt him with walnuts from 13 paces) if you ask me. I trust this article will have the link:

amnation.com/vfr/archives/004504.html
Analysis of Fukuyama’s article on Islamic radicalism, by Lawrence Auster: “What Fukuyama really means is that radical Islam is spawned by modern alienation, and has nothing to do with the Islamic religion. How comforting, how satisfying. ”

oh by the way2, he's deactivated the comments (coward).

I sailed away with a mighty push, never to return
Sheila Fitzpatrick
The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine · Princeton, 438 pp, £18.95
London Review of Books, Volume 27 No. 6, 17 March 2005 (via the a-list where it didn't evoke discussion)

In that admissionary post I mention Mary, she is 'thecutter' is mary operating http:// peacepalestine.blogspot.com

haloscan.com/comments/thecutter/113207586267386591/ this item concerns Peretz:

I do not have any idea who this Philips is - he is clearly a wind-up. I'm not. -- I have read Israel Shamir and I have said nothing here that he has not said. Are you aying that Shamir spews hatred'? Is he an extremist? Is that YOUR opinion? --- Let's find out what you think. ---- Do you think that Peretz, who is a Zionist. is going to bring justice to the Palestinians? --- Do you disagree with Shamir's arguments about Jewish power? --- Earlier you write: "I am inclined to agree with "antizionist" and Shaukat. ---- End of story of "trying to be understanding and nice". --- All-out intafada ... throughout all the ME ... everyone supporting al Qaida. ---- Then once the battle is won against Zionism and Washington imperialism; people of actual good-will can sit down and workk out how to cooperate. ----- But first you have to kill as many American/Israeli invaders as possible, so as to get the message through. --- FFS ... talk has PROVED useless." ---------- Do you stand by this? Do you want to 'kill as many Israeli invaders' as possible': Or not? --- antizionist | 11.16.05 - 10:18 pm | #

So. He confesses that he is as antisemitic as Shamir. I don't need to expose anything here. --- Congrats cutter, your racists are trying to destroy each other. ---- Right now, the kill ration is about 20 Iraqis for every American killed, and 4 palestinians for Every Jew killed. But the Americans and Jews are not trying to kill Iraqis and Palestinians. --- Now that the green light has been given by your antisemitic friend, the kill ratio will go to about 1000 to one, don't you think? ---- In an all out war where the goal was reduction of bodies, as your antisemite wants, how long do you think it would take for the palestinian population to shrink to 1/2 a million and the Iraqi population shrink to 5 million? It would probably mean the death of 5,000 Jews and 20,000 Americans.
Ibraham Av | Homepage | 11.17.05 - 2:42 am | #

"But the Americans and Jews are not trying to kill Iraqis and Palestinians." Also sprach Ibraham Av.

Now that I'm back on my chair after having fallen off laughing (the Americans OF COURSE aren't trying to kill Iraqis, they are there with feather dusters. The Jews are shooting cotton floss at Palestinian children on their way to school or while at play, or to men on their way to search for work) - joe, where do you keep the "irony" icon on your keyboard, mine fell off a long time ago - I can say one thing:

To me, both AntiZ and Thomas are frauds and here to bait. Whatever does Shamir have to do with this issue? Nada, I might say. And, that is where all the baiters always go, most of them totally unaware of what his deal is, or who won't cut through the crap to get to the good stuff. (Everybody's got crap, I would dare say, since we are human and imperfect. Even Chomsky has crap, Finkelstein, whoever...) Soon enough there will be a Shamir interview here, (still putting it together) and until then, when he is not mentioned, those who bring him up have an ulterior motive, in my opinion, and the game works that way.

That said, whoever or whatever they might be, I don't have to prove my steel to anyone here. If you don't like what I write or what I publish from others, fine. It's easy enough to make your own site, and then just don't come around, get your own readership, work through your ideas with those who can help you develop them. We will carry on well enough without you. If you feel compelled to criticise me for not being hardline enough, get over the fact that I am what I is, as another great Italian Frank Zappa said. (to those not in the know... Frank introduced all his bandmembers always as, "another great Italian"....).

I myself, and all of the people I respect are not racists. We do not hate Jews (for some of us, it would be almost comical to say we do, it would mean hating ourselves, our families, our spouses, our friends, our neighbours, which is simply impossible.) We wish them all the well in the world, as long as they do not act like Zionists. If they do, we try to change them, influence them to remove this sick and racist ideology from their beings. It can be done. It is done all the time, once people are informed as to what Zionism is all about, all the dressing stripped off and it's ugly inside on display. Yeah, it's done all the time, and that is what we are here for. (smile icon, joe!)
thecutter | Homepage | 11.17.05 - 1:44 pm | #

jewschool.com/2005/11/survivors-step-up.php a longish review of Slezkine's book (posted in compostartist about it, repeating the admissionary post days earlier with the MacDonald link to a review of 'Stalin's willing executioners'

You say:
“I pointed out the irony of Jews pushing group guilt onto people of European descent for the German holocaust while they deny the role of Jews in the much greater Soviet holocaust against White Russia”

You have yet to make the case that the Jews are “pushing group guilt onto people of European descent”. I am a Ukrainian Jew, my people have lived in Europe for at least a 1000 years and I consider myself to be of European descent (though originally my people came from the Middle East). I surely don’t blame myself for the Holocaust, nor do I blame anyone who is not a part of the Nazi regime. I am not sure what makes you think that Jews are blaming anyone other than the people responsible, but you sure seem to be bent on pushing “group guilt” on the Jews as a collective. Also, I am not sure what makes you think that what happened in the Soviet Union was much greater than the Holocaust. I have heard ridiculous numbers ranging from 50 to 120 million who died during Stalin’s reign. That would have been an imposible feat for the bolshevics to accomplish in a country comprised of only 180 million people. The realistic number I have heard is 3 million, based on a census figures.

--- these idiots are unshamedly peddling their joogle bomb ideas but revisionists must all be put away. Petulant impudence can be put up with but when impunity becomes as biased as this a revolution is once again upon us.

first-church.org/ChoirTourMM.htm 3 minute flash thingy starts playing automatically, Newport Massachusets scenery and cathedral shots (after 7 minutes or so, just before the end of the picture show .. .whoops, it was only a break before starting again .. .. we see a treebark shelter, a squaw in deerskin clothes and some early pilgrim architecture) but no organ music though they have a Beckerath .. .a wait, here's a few fragments: first-church.org/cds.htm; found here: bachorgan.com/CompFreeEx.html via http://perso.wanadoo.fr/civitas.dei via kelebekler.com/linkgb.htm via eussner.net via vho (who's operator Verbeke (belgian) was arrested in Holland and charged with holocaust denial; there's been a spate of such action as I mentioned before).

petersanders.co.uk/home.html the arab world in pictures (also via kelebekler). It's a seriously biased collection; of course some more natural angularity in arab architecture isn't enough to make me forget you couldn't not fake true beauty if you wanted cause there is so little greenery left in those parts of the world thanks to patriarchalized (=fucked up) demographics. And this guy, no matter how keen his eye for aesthetics of peaceful appearance ain't fooling me, not even if he calls 5 out of 11 past exhibitions 'in the shade of the tree'. Permaculture is not a big this in the arab world and zionism has failed bitterly too.

And that's where I part ways with all those trying to differentiate between jews and arabs and/or good and bad jews.

The cultural baggage is too strong and similar to stop such difference making from being meaningful; they remain arti- and superficial.

Races, like genders and classes are a graduated spectrum and radical choices are for the young and exceptional to pull through, for most they are shortlived experiences before falling back into better known and trusted even if that's more biased.

At mary's peacepalestine I read a comment about jewish subservience to arabs in the olden days when their survival strategy got too highly specialized in intellectual for their own (and the whole world's as it turns out) good.

They may well have related across such masculine feminine axes divides and poles, very well shown up for what they are in Finnegans Wake with main protagonists' protean splits and splinters ranging across recorded history.

I say dump all holy books and start over calling the sprinkling of dust a sacred act

Mary (stunningly beautiful by the way, suspiciously so, in fact, I wonder if she is bioziobait) has her court gesters finely polarized too: umkahlil.blogspot.com contrazionist --- umkahlillies.blogspot.com/ pro-zionist

The cruel paradox of history: the latest migrantwave to settle shack shettle and set up in northern Europe are of arab extraction (which is to say insipidly patriarchal -- favoring males as a compensation for the cheapness of their lives which they must be ready to sacrifice in service of the greater family ((that though, never reaches far beyond their clan (((impressive horse back riding and waving well polished steel in such a way that it shot reflected rays into the awed pawns who had to be well enough impressed to start coughing up the amounts designated as their tax bracket))) before jumping out of life and into holy scripture abstraction)) and leaving burdens and bias to weigh upon the females), the effects are similar to earlier semitic invasions though this time violence follows in their train on a more individual basis.
My point is that despite the way way way more massive influx of ‘jews’ to the middle east, their position and problems are comparableto those of turks, berbers and other maroccans as far as alienation (multifarious and many facetted awkwardness regarding the natives) is concerned. Yet these immigrants granted full benefit and legitimacy by a left, trying just as stupidly as their nemesis tries reject them, to embrace all those in need, are in solidarity with the more indigenous party in this dispute. Paradox upon paradox, they thus lend more weight to the automated, unreflected and material conditions such as race and gender over those of merely conditional, situational and environmental such as culture and class, not the bias of their protectors but the long, due to the world wars (and even more to the forgetting of the latter stages of leftyhood namely elitism) tabooed right.
One usefully idiotic function the current conception of ‘anti-semitism’ serves is to disqualify arabs from a liberal (or other flavor) application of it and thus have something in common with Jews. Islamophobia may well be a word invented by Jews who hate having anything in common, avoid all cause and call for solidarity with Arabs.

www.communa.org.il 95 years old

unethnicity and ethnicountry confoundment

2005-11-17T13:10:00.000Z

continued from the admissionary post (a few hours ago) called: various-fragments-on-ethnicountry-and unethnicity

http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-November/008508.html personal account of interaction with Israel Shamir by an italian lady, not mary from peacepalestine though she posts here too, this for instance: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/
A site with a summary of a few of the major English language Pro-Palestinian blogs and links to their key articles. ---- http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-November/008525.html Reply to Ran Greenstein by Jeff Blankfort

http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-October/007730.html .. on the game theory economics Nobel winners (who were heavily implicated in the continuation of the Vietnam war.

http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-October/007553.html Jamil I. Toubbeh Ph.D. posts on Ward Churchill, http://nativenewsonline.org/natnews.htm

Despite the obvious formal constraints on this list and the predominantly pro-zionist crowd I like this list for it's mix and eye(s) for relevance (just don't let the haughty dismissals bother you).

miscellaneous surfage (52 link post)

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my words in green:
first 'code encrusted' post there in a long long time:
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/827183.shtml it was 90K worth including code (for colour) but all of it except table colours got stripped and/or ignored)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/328036.shtml this one came out looking as it does on my logbriefer .. .the only comment I get for my trouble: compost warning 05.Nov.2005 05:20 -- check it out This article is almost entirely incomprehensible.

Fab-websites supply software for custom designing makezine.com....

jamaat.net - Islam and Christianity Forum Exchange :: View topic ...
It's not my Bible, per se , Ahmad. Try and get that straight; I've told you my
religion before, but you don't seem to either know enough about it or don't ...
- jamaat.net forum thread 149k -

leo strauss commune movement site shows 2 smiling people . .. but oh gods and goddesses, how delusionistically crosspurposeful ... and now for some (even) more serious perusing: after more than a few years absence killer colourpickerpiet returns to the indy(main)wire (and finds publishing delayed .. .perhaps by spamweeders busy hoeing another row so to be sure I'll try again here):

http://www.indymedia.org/nl/2005/11/827136.shtml www.benettontalk.com -THE DEBATE ABOUT LAND AND NATIVE PEOPLES
Benetton Group - Press Office, 03.11.2005 15:00
In occasion of the donation by the Benetton group of a significant area of land in Patagonia in favour of the local indigenous populations, an exciting online publishing experiment in seven languages. Open to reflection, ideas and co-operation, linked to the world and to “others”.

http://www.indymedia.org/nl/2005/11/827119.shtml A Thousand Students Walk Out In Seattle To Protest Iraq War Nov 2
Mark Taylor-Canfield, 03.11.2005 09:11
Students In Seattle Continue Anti-Military Recruitment Campaign

http://www.indymedia.org/nl/2005/11/827088.shtml
The greatest intellectual?
Chomsky Regrets Earlier Position on Srebrenica
Emma Brockes, The Guardian, 02.11.2005 20:46
Center for Islamic Pluralism
Washington, DC -- www.islamicpluralism.org
Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim, Bajram mubarek!
We welcome the blessed month of Ramadan as a time of celebration of the delivery of our Qur’an al-qerim. As Muslims, we avoid the expression of negative or harsh thoughts and improper language at this time.

Nevertheless, we must also take moral lessons during Ramadan. One such is offered by the repellent comments of Noam Chomsky, who has been championed by the Wahhabi lobby, recusant leftists, and neofascists. It is tragic to see a child of the Bani Israil, the people of Prophet Musa aleyhisalaam, express such brutal and terrible propagandistic lies, depending for his source on the corrupt Canadian general, Lewis McKenzie. We wish that Chomsky and his Muslim admirers, which unfortunately includes many misled Bosniaks, should be judged by the mothers of the victims of Srebrenica.

May Allah swt reward him appropriately.

Qur’an 4:121: “For them, their abode will be hellfire, and from it they will find no escape.”

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/10/327553.shtml nov 2nd protest
www.forestdefenders.org

http://peoples.coop/ ain't that the best domain???? check the creative facade too.

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20051031/023834.html bitchin post

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/327899.shtml Mythology of the White-Led "Vanguard" --- author: Greg Jackson ---- The Revolutionary Communist Party is a "vanguardist" looooong article written by a black giy citing Churchill

http://www.star-knowledge.net/TOC.htm

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/827205.shtml
Vermont Independence Convention: Confronting the Empire
Maslauskas, 04.11.2005 14:49

On October 28 a statewide convention on state secession and running on the theme “Vermont Independence: An Impossible Dream or a Vision of the Future?” was held in the State House in Montpelier, VT. The last time a convention similar to this was held took place in North Carolina in 1861 when the state decided to secede from the US.

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/11/why_is_france_b.html November 06, 2005
WHY IS FRANCE BURNING? The rebellion of a lost generation

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006774.html
November 06, 2005
Anti-globalization = Pro-poverty
northanger cites http://www.rhizomes.net/issue1/rhizopods/newness1.html and tachi says: "the immense unthinkable Difference of an impossible future" ... this looks like a sad attempt by lit-crit theorists to claim some purchase on the direction 'critique' is being forced to go: away from the post-modernist obsession with discourse and textuality and into the materialist fray. Though all this highly abstract stuff - difference, sameness, newness etc - coupled with the problem domain - unthinkability - belies their complete lack of connection with current issues and the most appropriate ways to deal with them.
tachi 11.07.05 - 5:20 am #

it's a ticklish kinda subject whenever dealing with the aggregate capabilities of questionable ethics deadending into acute or obtuse angles. desiring machines making compost. i agree. these are just annoying pricks; lovers of the primordial soup of the abstact.
northanger 11.07.05 - 9:24 am #

talk about composting desiring machines; I got one MB with 211.000K on it that I heard rumoured (a while ago) is worth the price and pleasure of (drivin to, sellin in, then flying from africa; the estimated banal expense of) a rond trip down there; all the circumambulatory new/otherness you can drive; get some capitalist pig to get you a wi-fi by sattelite line sub for the duration of the journey and you'll not be bored on your way to some chances of making homecoming queen; I could advertize for some travel companions if you like.

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006759.html
here they go again, pretending we are a simulation and should seduce the overseeer to continue -- I go: computation fetish is what started all holy bookkeeping and we all know they are pernicious as all hell.

http://www.frappr.com/lbotalk/photo/396082 have to adjust my mental picture of him; I either misidentified somebody else as him a while ago or he is now wearing his hear a lot shorter

http://blog.pulpculture.org/2005/11/03/stressing/

piet Says:
November 4th, 2005 at 12:17 pm
here’s a present for the list (especially CG): leo strauss commune movement

here's a present for the list (especially CG): leo strauss commune movement shows 2 smiling people . .. but oh gods and goddesses, how delusionistically crosspurposeful unless somebody beats you to it

apropo lists, you always make it sound like you are on a ton of them but do'n't list them in your Bit chlinks; what's up with that? Just trying to hold off suitors and time claimers who are only luke warm and don't 'rilly rilly .. .'?

Bitch Says:
November 5th, 2005 at 5:23 pm
I’m on a ton of them, yes. They are mostly related to professional stuff: Adobe Indesign, Web development, Web design, Adobe Acrobat, Macromedia. There are also associated technology and information security lists such as ISN, Security Awareness, and assorted announcement lists. There’s DC-stuff which I’m on but don’t read. I get about 1500 email a day, most of which I don’t read and is filtered via The Bitch’s Masterful Email Management System into separate mailboxes for archiving. When I need to know something, I do a search and—voila!—even if I don’t have access to the Internet, I can usually find an answer. Isn’t perfect, but.

There’s a list called Politics but it is composed of a small group of people, 20, who’ve been at it with the same boring group of people (or thereabouts) for 25 years or so. It used to be quite the list and even media people monitored it to get a flavor of what animated people. Those days are gone, alas. Some decent people but, mostly, it’s boring because it’s a lot of bickering and insider jokes, obsessing about things that happened, literally, 5 years ago.

http://www.progressive-asset.com/ socially responsible mutual fund

this one went into admission accomplished (addmac.blogspot): http://themessthatgreenspanmade.blogspot.com/2005/11/hummer-overfloweth.html Tim Iacono souther Californian critiques easy money; this item shows rows and rows and acres of unsold hummers with lots of comments

found at that wonderful site by The Bitch http://blog.culturelab.org;

it offers a perfect antidote to that entirely other obsessing about cars on the other side of one of the real mothers amongst fences across the free world.

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006774.html a number of links to items concerning the Jihadi flavours of social unrest in French 'breedboxburbs' (fokhokken would be a dutch translation which brings out the connotational odds ((of misfortune, exposure, towerdives and truth)) stacked against those vain enough to believe they can distract from or weaken the impact of the 3Ks in that word best).

On my dutch blog (intellectjuweel) I suggested an emergency rule that would save any more cars from going up in flames. Make the inhabitants they share burbresidence with, no longer feel locked out of them. Revive the totally lefty/green solution to transport congestion and low efficiency: hitch hiking. If only manners were that pliable and conversion prone; if only respect and dignity were a little car-ride away.

Much better but not very instant as solutions come and go either is to grant 'ban-lieu sufferers' (spoiled as they are compared to immigrants of last century) a small garden as a birthright and within view. In mine that would be the least a 'fokhok' inhabitant needs, merits, and must have to keep himself sound and sane if not proud.

You can of course in the interest of keeping wages low have a minority of labour armies in reserve, that is to say mobilized (deprived of the autonomics that would lower their interest in wages in the first place), which keeps their frustrations simmering, in order to lower the wages the rest is able to negotiate. Unionizing workers and 'chomeurs' and other across the board rules likes flat tax are gaining ground once again but I expect it won't be enough before a lot of devastation sets us back (down closer to ground zero altogether) a few notches.

one ticket admits one to the derelict villages of southern france -- speedy AUTO nomy paraphernominicheans delivered upon arrivallavirra ad in fin itum -- -- pointer to above at mentioned hyperstition item

http://www.emirecords.co.uk/players/kb/player1/ one of the few pages that gets around my personal colour imposition via Netscape browser tools -- Kate Bush has a new album out that Jorn Barger links to again and again; this page has clips of the lispy lady who's hit 'Man with the child in his eyes' accompanied one of my crazier infatuations and semi-relationships ever (working class girl, implants, popping eyes, expensive hairdo and very doll-like who let me into the bed she occupied in her parents home still at the time; my dad aborted my intentions of taking her to India. Saw her once later, a mother by then.

http://www.machination.org/2005/11/06/lone-protester-arrested-during-prince-charles-and-camillas-visit-to-n-california/
Norman Solomon arrested for 'War is not organic' sign

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/827451.shtml on the BBC and the ME palestinecampaing.org

newspage 251 will have lots of items about the use of chemicals weapons by the US in fallujah, the next one has the item I posted, a first after a long lull.

NORTHERN ABORIGINALS (I live 20K from arnhem, Holland)
http://onemiledam.org/ another gem via the newswire, their logo is so completely meaningful it's awesome .. . links to many sites I am unfamiliar with (sorta left this field relatively unscrutinized since the late nineties) except for the last one but HH has died.

I should lob these over to The Bitch for her to nibble on:
Sociology
http://www.bloorstreet.com/300block/aborintl.htm Aboriginal Links International
http://bill-day-bunji.tripod.com/pages/Articles.htm a podner anthropologist Bill Day, trying to help out a people 90% of whom live locked up lives

Content of Bill's Thesis: http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Bill_Day_Thesis.c.htm
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/images/Bill zipped wordpad version

bill.day.20m.com - fought racism and publicized the plight of the East Timorese, in the Territory during the 1970's. Bill organized the A3 rally in Darwin 2001. -- this one could still live in the archive.org but I haven't tried

3. http://www.aestheticrealism.net/ racism.html It is in contempt that the root of racism lies. Articles from 1997 to today about the power of the Aesthetic Realism explanation of this terrible injustice.

http://qc.indymedia.org/ it's a beaut (has the theme buttons but not at the top) and all in english (from the phillipines)

http://www.yolnguboy.com/directory/htm/index.html a movie

http://www.meandyoumovie.com/ about identity and long distance/blind relating

http://www.localcurrencies.blogspot.com/ Deirdre Kent (your restful reading is our passion and so we recommend you use your high bleakyblankblink intensity protection browser)

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20051107/024132.html
peacenow at theofficenet.com so. .. you think/imply the left is (by implied contrast) not in any way creepily bigoted?????

You should read on of those creeps like Peter Myers a little closer if you even have at all. I don't like any flavour of supremacism myself and so .. .
in solidarity, Piet

http://fnulnu.org/swaneagle/?p=28 New LBO member (expect Doug to not tolerate her very long if she will even post much at all)

666 reads -- longest thread (27 posts) in a bunch of them on a course Thomas Greco held last june at the ccSyndicator site (ccit.wji.com is a moronically unrelated moniker don't you think? Les Squires is a hyperactive Coloradan into skypes but the cc site is dying) - it is called: How do banks clear checks among themselves?
Tom has given us this starter question. It's critical to our understandings of the monetary system, and has big implications for monetary reform.

How shall we define the question?
What is "check clearing" in the first place?
What sources from our bibliography do we need to cite?
What powerpoints, books, and articles?
What quotations from Greco or Riegel?

http://www.village-planetaire.org/ sister site to the Syndicator

the rest via www.arborsmith.com

http://www.danladd.com/Living_Sculpture.htm
As part of my work with nature I graft, or Pleach as the technique is called, trees together. I influence the growth to form geometric and architectural shapes. I sometimes introduce glass metal or stone into the trees as well. These structures can be many trees grafted together; a current project involves eleven trees grafted each to the next up a hillside like a long banister. Or, the structure can be one tree with its branches grafted back to itself. My attitude towards this work with trees has changed over time from goal orientation and a view towards the end Product, to an appreciation of the tree and my mutual accommodation and the process of our interaction. In this context, I see work with trees over a long period of time, to be a venue for sustained public exchange.

http://www.freep.com/features/living/pleach17_20001217.htm
High style hedges: Pleaching, a European gardening technique, takes root in Ann Arbor
December 17, 2000
BY MARTY HAIRFREE PRESS GARDEN WRITER
Margaret Parker, an artist and gardener, loves the sense of enclosure she felt from pleached hedges in England, Italy and France. (Detroit Free Press)

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~blackash/gardenchair.htm

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~blackash/images/craving/carving.jpg

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/shukan-st/st-essay.htm little essays (with links to help japanese people to learn english) by the son of the world's most famous pleacher (some titles are illustrated)

french stench has wafted across holland

2005-11-08T18:56:00.000Z

on sunday that is (caused by riot scale arson and pyromania perped by the burnt souls and harbingers of Desert); I haven't read or searched for reports but my nose told me and it made me feel very oppressed even though I was in a village with merely 7 immigrants at the time.

Buitenhof (online in dutch) offered some comforting truth on sunday; Holland has a bureaucracy like France but it is not as dominated by older men as francophonia is and dialogue flows better here. Hope that's true enough to spare us.

http://r2000.servaux.org:8000/streamfpp.mp3.m3u paris indymedia

radio stream (unreliable service from Holland during the afternoon and doing irrelevant stuff like playing music)

minority of the minority report the exceptions (to justified

arrest) of the exceptional and militant margin of those who,

bycause of their sheer numbers and urge to be in the rich west have

trouble sharing what's been allocated to them and like all truly

virulent viruses can't even attain the status of a respectable

parasite that keeps their host on their toes. Well, I want them to

wreak their havoc, kill off all those of US whom THEY call

'fearful', cull and get them out of the way, then militance from

OUR side will not only be quietly condoned and frustratedly wished

for but supported and carried by the population, when that day

arrives we will remember how we wronged the serbs for not helping

chase Kosovans all the way across the Bosporus as an ouverture and

stimulus to speedy repatriation of most arabs in europe and jews in

the middle east. It's never too late to start from scratch, Iraqis

don't even give up with formidable enemies in their necks and as

far as the Paris atrocities (especially in the light of

environmental damage) are an expression of solidarity I heartily

support it though the execution is moronic and misguided but real

change is always brutal if folks like me are not joined forces with

but ignored and laughed at, shaken heads over and all too quietly

envied at best.

I haven't read any of the following links:

this is the Jahjah fanclub's latest regarding this affair:

http://www.arabeuropean.org/live/index.php/federal/

Enough is enough: When social unjustice culminates
(Thursday 03 November 2005 9:23:05 am)

FRANCE has plunged into a bitter debate over the failure to

integrate its large immigrants communities after five nights of

rioting in a Paris suburb populated by Arab immigrants.

A few links in 3 languages
http://ovl.indymedia.org/news/2005/11/7534.php here's the 2 in

english:
indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=72857

Indymedia Ierland:
The Suburbs Are Ticking... Why The Nihilism Of The Paris Riots Is
Not A Political "Insurrection"

zmag.org/..906 6 Znet: Why is France burning?

Organic homesteading in the Arab world

2005-09-29T12:38:00.000+01:00

Sorry, something I know next to nothing about, so the following is but as faintly pertinent as brittle theory can be (starts the 9th paragraph/sentence set). Practical comments extra welcome.

livejournal.com/users/northanger/135024.html Northanger blog is most likely called that bycause she likes Jane Austen's book about an abbey called that; she's doing diary like entries these days .. .. of (decency's) destitution.

I go: What is it you smoke? how much?
how much physical excercise do you get/take? As little as me is very very bad and enough to double depressions; step out of that world in your head stuffed with missed chances and mementos from the best of all possible worlds.

As I understand it you are working out some kind of ephemeris for asteroids but I can't figure out why/if, when they are indeed clumped in groups that resonate with different other planets, and wether the shelflife/regularity is making it worth your while, sometime in the future?

Suppose somebody uses your specs to do some calculations, let's say a billionaire who wants to see what colour the cloud of dust will be when firing a nuke at his chosen target from his private rocket (oh the wonders of crapitalism), could you sue them?

If I could get you to trace terrestrial dust revolutions, cycles and momentae, better yet, get some it in gear down on one farm after the other, I'd keep you .. .. even in smokes but I have no hopes you see the urgency the way I do.

I suspect we have the dubious pleasure of sharing a lack of interest in our work

the second comment by the 'owner'/operator of http://pierrotsfolly.blogharbor.com/blog a better than average blog, likens being employed to being served up and eaten alive.

I go: eat and let eat aint it for all; you profess to be the eat or let eat type but merely think you are; a false supposition is never final.

Your calculation speaks of net losses and gains in personal terms but that is oxymoronic cause the term net implies collective; for instance, THE net is by definition a loss wether suffered for good or bad purposes, internet as a symptom of urban blight (terrorism by the way is the dopey attempt to disperse, thin out and counter the dilution of fellowman obstructed straight contact with Allah, terror ((as well intentioned evil means)) tries to bust up mass societies in the same duplicitous way arabs will generally approve of ((even/especially liberal)) bloodflow and certainly prefer it over the flow of semen).

sociality is sacrifice (when correctly trying to lower your standards and aiming at the dusty presentient levels yet getting stuck at that of say, people with birth defects); this is what comes as easy for a female as quick and dirty sex does for lots of males (arabs excepted, who stop short of all that and instead act out femininely. Tragically do they do so in the shallow ways that meddle with and fuck up the female aspects of their environment, ((a consequence of their long but no longer sustainable luxury of not having to dig in like the bleached monkeys further up north had to)), if you allow me to call the restraints that 'help' 'beperk' ((restrict)) themselves to bare essential imbalance shallow. Their mores ((aimed at power through numbers; progeny at all cost)) don't reach nor touch, much less 'catalactivate' the common denominator, for all their professed love and respect for dust ((i-mag link recently)) they don't manage to spread risk, cushion crisis, push back the desert ((hopelessness of which cause is reflected in a projection of heaven with that degree of hot defense (((with course of life shaping concepts))) which runs at the perfect inversely proportionate ratio of it)) through/after pragmatism yielding and penetrant understanding of it's role in life('s)cycles, rather, they seem to have choosen for and/or slid into a state where whichever way accomplishes imposition/domination goes/rules over proving likelyhood of hypothetical afterlifestage existing actually through good example ((the dim reflection of it seen in life closer to nature than nurture to the exclusion of the former believed practicable again and again, witness fabulous Adam, the monastic aspects of the middel ages, the (((communal))) utopian era, etcetera?)) but these differences are minor and mere matters of convention an detail in the strategically shifty face of what one monotheism does in comparison to another, in this case, the forms of violence are industrial strength peripheral ((christianity)) vs hands on low budget internalized ((islam)), jews manage to schizoically combine them and remain moves/way ahead of either descendant; on balance the footprint record of neither of the 'great' religions is that great; they all aim at the wrong size. Spreading small change and big risk at the same time ((Grand parent rock turned to grey dust blown in driving rain (((or spread as a spray in dry weather and locations with at least a likely enough chance of rain))), light show, musicscore and .. .roll!!!!)) help trivia thrive and drives burgeon- and 'blossomment' of diversity).

Islamists overvalue sperm, not over that just mentioned more inclusvie grey stuff as far as I know, at least not consciously (at mentioned link a little dust in compost and tasty produce plus robuster green could have given the needed pagan twist but hey, they hate the green west); their holy awe for it is hysterically high in fact and that's highly hysterical unless you can't see the joke in not only substituting but tabooing ( mercifully I guess, in lieu of outright condemning) hi torque muddy waterspouts . .. ..

so ... . .where does the popular (livejournal) interest 'jack+off+jill' come in here?

Random snobservations:
livejournal.com/community/big_trees/ dunno about you but this (418 folks and 466 users professing an interest in trees) cheers me up hugely. .. at least at first it did but when you find out it has only 2 item pages the joy sinks fast (got at least one good external link out of, excellent gallery: http://mark.technolope.org/photo/2004/2004-04-25/list.html .

livejournal.com/interests.bml?int=compost 28 communities interested (no mention of rockdust or rockflour as an interest .. . is 'jabber' a messenger service or can one wordsearch with that spec?). Curiously enough, the one that has the most straightforward name, 'thecompostpile' is quite inactive and ugly if you, like me, have infinite preference for cellulose- over screenwhite; I LIKE THIS BETTER: beautifultoxin/ (undisciplined fleeting word fetish became the name apparantly cause the subtitle is horology, the art of clockmaking, the science of keeping times, the posts are about all sorts of stuff but above all: few .. .. ohwait, last post ((jan04)) says a move to sacredwhore.org was made 'with pleasure'; hope ((for her/him/them)) it's not just an(other) internet site) AND THIS: nude4peace/, the first one found at comeinpeace/, the latter via mydollhouse/ who sent in a pic of herself infront of a HUGE Sevillan parktree and calls her comments 'plastic toys' inviting prospectives to 'be my doll' - incredibly naive broad though, here's her take/flight on trees: "Planes are nobody's land, and that's why I love them". .. on further (and) after sink in surface settled reflection I guess I know what she means, I afte all hammer on the importance of noman's land as border buffer again and again .. . AND THIS TOO: /ginoushka/ definitely a night person (another dormant ((communal))page best read at night due to dark tone make up: aforestwhisper/), Gina de Vries, couldn't be dutcher, plenny of 'm near where I grew up to (excercizing honourable professions such as postman) who's at Amherst, the only college in America where I experienced how alcohol can turn a beautiful person into a schizo (guess which side of her I had a fumbling fleeting access to?). _nature/ perhaps telling and typical this one didn't take off either -

looks like I have a new blog

2005-08-26T20:24:00.000+01:00

http://indexterity.blogspot.com

busy elsewhere, phoney home

2005-08-19T23:09:00.000+01:00

http://liecause.tripod.com I seem to spend talking to Nick Land and northanger a lot lately. Theyh are fabulators of the worst sort; you know that cartoon from the Middle Ages with the fella on his knees upon an earth diminutized horribly and sticking his head out of the atmosphere to look at the stars? He erred on the side of caution cause folks who can't keep their greedy eyes off heavenly bodies are bound to stub their toes or worse, stumble, you're safer on your knees I guess .. . . .say, wasn't there some sorta falsely claimed Sphinx prize? How many legs has a rock anyway. OK, I'll treat you to a picture I like very much:

I be able to think fast but feel like this (very) distance relative of mine: like I'm sinking slowly

Natives vs imperialist pawns

2005-08-09T15:23:00.000+01:00

Yah, cause prior to the Churchill affair level headed, well footnoted, left understatement had produced a real domestic block to US imperialism and a real stage presence for the left. Has not Chomsky been doing that for the last thirty years? No comrade, since when was the American political scene dominated by level headed, serious debate? News flash, prior to the Churchill affair nobody was listening to the left...except of course the left. Are you arguing that fewer lefties will now be listening? Or that fewer on the right are now listening--were they ever listening? Or is it the beloved middle of the roaders that you seek. Is there any evidence subtle, sober intervention works on them? Do you cling to the Millsian fantasy of the market place of ideas ? And as for having to go out of your way to explain that "you are not an insane asshole," all I can say is the best defense is a good offense. Why in the hell would you apologize for the existence of your position at the out-set. What do they teach you in debating classes down south? When you talk to your less liberal left friends try the statement "Churchill was over the top in many respects but he made one point which is worth thinking about..." Thats how the right uses their militants. Just try it for thirty days as a rhetorical strategy, and if you don't like it you are under no obligation to continue on with the strategy. Travis -------------

Absolutely. It is worth adding that the in-your-face tactics employed by Churchill and other activists is totally counterproductive vis a vis the professed goal - it diverts public attention form the message and concentrates it on the messenger. I may also add that this whole notion of collective guilt and blame game is sure sign of impotence cum irrelevance. This is the last refuge for those whose influence on real life events has been reduced to zero. Instead of realizing their defeat and regrouping - they pull a Proyect and keep on haranguing their fellow travelers. Wojtek

------------- When I re-read Ward Churchill's essay (one that I had read some time ago in "Pockets of Resistance" No. 11 A a Supplement of "Dark Night Field Notes" Sept, 2001 at http://www.marxmail.org/ward_churchill.htm ) my reaction was the same the second time and I was again reminded of two of my favorite quotes: "If there is to be hope, we must all 'betray' our country. We have to save each other, because all victims are equal and none is more equal than others. It is everyone's duty to start the avalanche. Nowadays you have to think like a hero just to behave like a merely decent human being." (The character Barley Scott Blair in the film version of "The Russia House" by John Le Carre) and: "If the construction of the future and its completion for all time is not our task, all the more certain is what we must accomplish in the present; I mean, the ruthless criticism of everything that exists--the criticism being ruthless in the sense that it neither fears its own results nor fears conflict with the powers that be." (Karl Marx letter to Arnold Ruge 1843) I believe that Ward Churchill was correctly pointing out some of the forms of imperial hubris, narcissism, self-absorption, identity politics, chauvinism, jingoism, herd mentality, myopia, gross insensitivity, lack of empathy, just plain ignorance about anywhere outside the U.S.--as well as about most realities inside the U.S.--and willful blindness/depraved indifference to the real costs, pain and barbarism of U.S. imperialism past and present that are evident and clearly manifested among large sections of the U.S. population including some sections of the U.S. left and nominal left. In Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11, he focused on--and used in my opinion--the grief of a U.S. mother who had lost her son in Iraq and who had once been a "proud mother" of a daughter as well as a son in the U.S. military. But he did not have the guts to ask this mother why she still refused to see the pain of possible Iraqi victims of her son's military unit before he was killed. He didn't have the guts to ask her if she had ever wondered how many Iraqi mothers were crying because they had lost sons killed by her son and/or other members of his unit. That mother was filmed outside the White House wailing in grief about her son which was the only thing she could talk about when she came up to an Iraqi woman with an information booth protesting the bombing of Iraq.

As I travel throughout Indian country, and I am writing from Vancouver BC, I see Indigenous Peoples rising up in lawful and yet increasingly damaging (to the system) ways, and they wonder when the ongoing genocide inside the U.S. and Canada will be finally noticed by all those "tie-a-yellow-ribbon" types and even among some sections of the U.S. and Canadian left. They wonder why they are not seen as cute as baby seals or whales so that some of the limousine liberals of Hollywood might contribute to lawful avenues for exposing the ongoing genocide and realities of Indian Country. They wonder when the SUV-driving liberals, with their "Free Tibet" bumper stickers, will finally try looking a little closer to home and to the realities around them; perhaps they can actually stop for awhile and really look around them the next time they pass through one of the Rezes to buy tax-free cigarettes or booze or perhaps some "prima dope." They wonder why so many of the U.S. and Canadian populace can so reflexively lecture foreigners about the need to respect "human rights" in their countries of origin and yet not be able;e to find those countries on a blank world map or show any awareness of the extent to which their own states practice state-sponsored terrorism and violations of basic human rights right under their noses and at levels far greater than the nations being criticized. They wonder why two patently stolen national elections (even worse that the usual stolen elections on many reservations and reserves), wind up being ratified with little resistance while those who stole those elections, celebrate protests against --and the overturning of--comparable or less comparable stolen elections in places like the Ukraine. They wonder when all those "cyber warriors", whose only "battle wounds" might be a little carpal tunnel syndrome, are going to get off their asses and actually come out and live under, concretely investigate and help to directly challenge some of the conditions they write about from a safe distance. They wonder when some of those granola-eating, tree-hugging and "animal-loving" liberals are going to see Indigenous Peoples--and other oppressed Peoples--as also "oppressed animals", "endangered species" and as worthy of not being taken out as old-growth forests. They wonder when those who can wax so eloquently--and in exquisite detail--about the CIA-sponsored terrorism in Indonesia, or Chile, or other places, during various periods of history, will be as aware of past and present terrorism at places like the Marias River, Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and elsewhere where they live.This is some of the rage that Ward Churchill is picking up and passing along with a lesson in role reversals and arguments based on irrefutable facts and consistent application of some of the same "reasoning" and "principles" celebrated by U.S./Canadian triumphalism, national chauvinism, victim exclusivism and jingoism.

If we can--and are supposed to-- "overlook" the so-called "collateral damage" of U.S. bombing in places like Iraq (focusing instead, supposedly, on what horrors were supposedly being stopped with the bombing to justify, in NET "benefit" terms, the total human and other costs of the bombing itself), then "what is good for the goose is good for the gander." How does it feel to hear the argument that "Since so many crimes were being committed and so many innocents killed through the political, diplomatic, intelligence and economic decisions being made and carried out by many of the companies and U.S. governmental agencies that occupied the WTC, then, actually, in NET terms (lives saved minus lives lost) the WTC attack actually wound up saving lives--with all due and perfunctory respect to those innocents who were unfortunate--but strategically necessary-- "collateral damage"? Jim Craven By the way, surely there were some little Eichmanns in the Pentagon.

Dubofsky writes: >>Here we go again with the promiscuous use of language. Tom Mayer takes it as a given that European colonists (settlers) practiced or intended the "genocide" of the indigenous peoples. Admittedly, the European conquest (settlement) of the "new world" exacted an enormous loss of human life among the native peoples. As did nearly all colonial conquests historically. But did the conquerers seek to exterminate all the native peoples? Was there a conscious plan to do so? That has yet to be proved and there is little evidence to sustain such a thesis.<<> this openly racist crap on their website: > (http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/aboutus/creekjoa.shtml) > > The newspaper's founder was one William T. Byers. Showing that he was dead > serious about the advancing wave of Anglo-Saxon civilization subduing the > wild Indians, he called for the extinction of the Cheyenne in 1861. After > Cheyenne leader Chief Black Kettle had signed a "peace treaty" (in reality, > a surrender of all their land and rights at the point of a cannon), his > people chafed at the miserable hunting afforded them after resettlement and > began to launch forays against the colonizers. Cheered on by Byers, Colonel > Chivington made a speech on August of 1864 that included these infamous > words: "...kill and scalp all, little and big... nits make lice." > > This rancid newspaper has basically been leading the campaign to fire Ward > Churchill. ----------------

Lou, sometimes you astound me. The Rocky Mountain News is undoubtedly a rancid newspaper, especially for its campaign against Churchill. But putting this passage on their web site is the very opposite of rancidness. It's honesty about history, quoting words from its past which it describes as "infamous." Sometimes your understanding of history seems to be the very reverse of Marx's understanding, which is epitomized in the sentence, "The anatomy of man is a key to the anatomy of the ape." Quoting that web page as evidence against the paper in effect assumes that "The anatomy of the gorilla is a key to the history of humanity." It isn't -- that's the point of Gould's _Wonderful Life_, which confirms that in evolutionary as in political history, the historical method is to read history backwards, not forwards. There are too many different results that can flow from the same beginning. Carrol

---------------- "We make our debut in the far west, where the snowy mountains look down upon us in the hottest summer day as well as in the winter's cold; here where a few months ago the wild beasts and wilder Indians held undisturbed possession - where now surges the advancing wave of Anglo Saxon enterprise and civilization; where soon we fondly hope will be erected a great and powerful state, another empire in the sisterhood of empires... "Fondly looking forward to a long and pleasant acquaintance with our readers, hoping well to act our part, we send forth to the world the first number of the Rocky Mountain News." --Rocky Mountain News, April 23, 1859.

To give you an idea of how shameless this disgusting rag is, they include this openly racist crap on their website: (http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/aboutus/creekjoa.shtml) The newspaper's founder was one William T. Byers. Showing that he was dead serious about the advancing wave of Anglo-Saxon civilization subduing the wild Indians, he called for the extinction of the Cheyenne in 1861. After Cheyenne leader Chief Black Kettle had signed a "peace treaty" (in reality, a surrender of all their land and rights at the point of a cannon), his people chafed at the miserable hunting afforded them after resettlement and began to launch forays against the colonizers. Cheered on by Byers, Colonel Chivington made a speech on August of 1864 that included these infamous words: "...kill and scalp all, little and big... nits make lice."

This rancid newspaper has basically been leading the campaign to fire Ward Churchill. If you go to the Rocky Mountain News website, you will find 139 (!) items that mention Ward Churchill. The charges against him are now focusing on his academic credentials, since it is becoming obvious that it is not possible to fire somebody for making unpopular comments about 9/11. It should also be noted that the U. of Colorado administration is working behind the scenes with the Rocky Mountain News and a hate radio outlet, according to today's Chronicle of Higher Education: "Newly released documents show that a vice chancellor at Boulder urged other administrators to hire Mr. Churchill in 1990, even though he did not have a doctorate. He earned tenure the next year, bypassing the usual six-year review. The documents were released by the university to Dan Caplis, a talk-show host on a Denver radio station, who shared them with the Rocky Mountain News." Colorado Indynews reports that Caplis was paid off to attack Ward Churchill:

>>An anonymous tipster working with, what was referred to as, a "faith-based think tank", claims that KHOW/Clear Channel's Dan Caplis accepted a "gift" from the unnamed group to spread the biased Ward Churchill story in an attempt to "frame the left", the anti-war movement, and the 9-11 truth movement into "one package". The person also stated this was a ploy to set-up an "Ideological Enemy" on "American Soil" and to re-invent Ward Churchill as a "sacrificial lamb http://colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/10164/index.php

Of particular use to the Rocky Mountain News is the article by Thomas Brown that has circulated widely on the Internet, which charges Churchill with not substantiating allegations that the US army distributed smallpox blankets to the Mandan Indians in 1837. Brown has been cited in four separate Rocky Mountain News articles this month. Typical is this 2/8 contribution by Paul Campos: --- >>Thomas Brown, a professor of sociology at Lamar University, has written a paper that outlines what looks like a more conventional form of academic fraud on Churchill's part. According to Brown, Churchill fabricated a story about the U.S. Army intentionally creating a smallpox epidemic among the Mandan tribe in 1837, by simply inventing almost all of the story's most crucial facts, and then attributing these "facts" to sources that say nothing of the kind.<< ---- It should be mentioned that Campos, a law professor at the U. of Colorado, has also attacked Churchill for going too far in his remarks about 9/11. In an appearance on Bill O'Reilly's Fox-TV show, Campos said "that if he engages in conduct, including publishing things that bring into question his professional competence that the University of Colorado," his employer can "sanction him for behaving in that fashion." So we are talking about a rather well-organized cabal at this point, involving the U. of Colorado administration, a law professor who makes himself useful to Bill O'Reilly, a Denver hate radio personality allegedly paid for his services, Commentary Magazine and a newspaper that has the temerity to include an item hailing Anglo Saxon civilization's triumph over the wild Indian. As I told Thomas Brown on crookedtimber.org, when you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Recently Brown joined Doug Henwood's LBO-Talk mailing list to make his case. (I should mention that whatever my disagreements with Henwood in the past, he has played a very positive role in stressing the "an injury to one is an injury to all" nature of the Ward Churchill controversy.) When asked by Henwood why he chose to launch his assault on Churchill at the very moment this carefully orchestrated neo-McCarthyite attack was being organized, Brown gave a highly revealing reply, which can be read in its entirety at http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050214/003589.html:

Brown writes, "I made the essay public now as a gift to the left, so that it would not be necessary to line up behind Churchill on the free speech issue."

With gifts like this, one might actually prefer a smallpox blanket. You can get vaccinated against smallpox; it is much more difficult to protect oneself against McCarthyism. When he characterized Ward Churchill's politics as "irredentist" on LBO-Talk, Charles Brown [no relation, as Charles was anxious to point out] questioned the relevance of this term to land claims by American Indians. The irredenta included Trentino, Trieste, Istria, Fiume, and parts of Dalmatia before WWI, areas that had a majority Italian population but that were not under Italian state control. The Italian nationalist movement to reclaim these areas agitated to enter World War I. Today, it is a term that has largely reactionary connotations. That Brown would apply it to a movement that, for example, fought for control over the Wounded Knee reservation is singularly perverse. It reminds one of Malcolm X's observation that "The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make a criminal look like he's the victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal." Although Brown fancies himself as some kind of expert on American Indian affairs, nearly everything he writes is tainted.

In a paper on his website ( http://hal.lamar.edu/~BROWNTF/PISCATAWAY.HTML) titled "Ethnic Identity Movements and the Legal Process: The Piscataway Revival," Brown seems consumed with the need to sniff out the true racial make-up of the Piscataways, something that is consistent with his burning desire to prove that Ward Churchill is not a real Indian.

He writes: "A comprehensive examination of the Maryland courts' handling of bastardy cases reveals consistent patterns that allow us to infer the race and class status of defendants whose status is not specified in the record. Free servant women who bore bastards by slaves were charged with bastardy, and punished by having their indentures extended and their children bound out until age thirty-one. Free servant women who bore bastards by free men were charged with a lesser offense--fornication--and received a more lenient punishment. "There are only four cases of free servant women charged with bearing bastards by Indians on the Western Shore (and some of these may well be East Indians, not native American Indians). These women were given the lesser charge of fornication. Thus when Wesort progenitors were charged with bastardy instead of fornication, and punished accordingly, it is a clear indication that the father was a slave--not an Indian. And no Piscataways were enslaved. In fact, none of the Wesort progenitors were ever identified as Indians in the colonial records. The courts' treatment of the Wesort progenitors' mixed-race unions in the bastardy proceedings clearly indicate that they involve people of African and European descent, and not Indians." My goodness, all this talk about bastardy and fornication. One imagines that if fascism ever comes to the USA, and if there are job openings in a new agency charged with the responsibility to define pure-blooded Americans, that Thomas Brown will be first on line. -- Most of the above was found at www.marxmail.org -----------------

Tourist or terrorist? I say a Wammes Waggel type journalist.

2005-08-06T14:13:00.000+01:00

http://www.netwerk.tv/index.jsp?p=items&r=netwerk&a=184366

watch this footage of a native Phallushahn refugee from the Saddam regime, Wesam al D (in jail as we speak, awaiting extradition HELP STOP THAT IF YOU CAN) who integrated well in Dutch society (all the superficial trappings tricks mastered including ass wiggle at national tv gameshow, now, that's cum lauda!). He had the pick of his nieces via video for years on end and the time came he actually went back to marry his choice, right thereafter he goes and sees how well he can reintegrate with her contemporary and conlocationists to really prove his manhood the arab way, I wrote a little something on that earlier this week but forgot on which of my blogs (oops) but who cares, nobody seems to succeed much at reading me any of if not all the time/way.

He has flair for spellbinding footage via handheld and as he crosses destroyed country he freely curses the Amis and within no time gets a chance to prove his mettle but gets beaten and blows a retreat after lessons in remote whatshahmakillit.

America wants Holland to give him to . . .eh .. . it (suffice it to say that the folks who started this war stem from or adhere to the culture that 'values' scapegoatism very highly - out of control demography and or lack of pleachtec will do that everytime).

I say let him roll more film and show us what it's like. He may have spoken and even meant the radical lingo but that helps him help us to an inside view; unlike the unfortunate fella in the Guardian today who wrote his last long blog entry before being kidnapped and murdered; not very smart to be too openly critical right in the middle of Basra I would think (absolutists want impeccable, not equal treatment, scolding the english take on things is not enough to get in their good books). LONG LIVE THE BORDER DIFFUSING AND DIFFUSE BORDER CROSSING DOUBLE AGENT. HELL, HE WENT AND SOLD A DUTCH CAR IN BAGHDAD AND MUST BE RICH ENOUGH TO SEND AN INVINCIBLE ARMY AGAINST THE 'AMEREEKY' NOW, COME ON YOU IDIOT DUTCHMEN, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO PROVE YOUR LOYALTY, DEPORT HIM; HAVE PITY ON THE AMERICAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LIVING IN FEAR OF THE LIKES OF THIS HAPPY GO LUCKY BLUNDERER.

Or come to your senses and give him a few free cameras and a crew, you have my plurimorhist publisharian vote on that route.

ps: study up on who wammes waggel was (a foolish goose in versatile pursuit of fun), I dare you, his father just died earlier this week at the age of 93, one of the best authors holland ever bore I kid you not.

Of course in as much as Wesam al D is nothing but a luxuries addicted corrupted and westernized arab we can conclude that

a: he has already reached the peak of his journalistic career and

b: he deserves to be disciplined.

Anyway the impression I came away with was: America has succeeded in paralyzing Iraq and oilbarons are still destroying civilization at a frightening rate. Fancy finding your selves in the midst of feudal days for fun and fallujah.

Redemption wellnigh planned; rocket at hand to soon be manned

2005-08-05T09:35:00.000+01:00

... no .. . sorry, crackin core action correction; rock at hand to soon be plant

Roads are 2 way eventually (the e- bounceback from reject, etc.), more and more multi the longer and older they get. To curve/roll around back in on itself is a very natural way of learning to steady and stand even in the very teeth of time. Let Dan Winter shine his sorta fluffy sorta sterile light on that if you are sympathetic to modeled physics.

So causes, whether they rumble-ramble down real causeways or seem caught up in abstract momentae of progress are one way at most half the way/time but due to the great lapses and thorough reassemblages at and along sometimes literally out of sight elliptical ricochetage refitteries we don’t recognize ourselves in oncoming traffic.

Half the way as half of halfway sends our reckoning abilities into tailspin.
Half the time as halfway to halftime wrecks our accountability antics and that goes for most of whichever fault-, demarcation-, dream- and/or powerlines of flight vision we try follow and/or keep in mind. ---- Personally, I am still very fond of John Hamaker’s long wave views regarding climate and soil fertility cycles meshing very closely with the spread of prime ice age product numero uno: fine and fresh dust.

Taking patience to hand an rewarding it, picking some rocks to crush is the vastly more honourable way to deal with deathgrip type inertia these tough customers seem to so persistently embody.

Others project such earthly in your face opportunity to the on/off switches constituted by various planetary or even galactic constellations.

To illustrate, let me elaborate on an already very long post at highest-holiest-of-rainbow-chumpchamp

As we speak the old rookie at lastmentioned ‘might as well close my eyes if this is the firing squad’ type game, Jose Arguelles, is due in Switserland (http://www.sangit1320.ch/ found at http://www.lawoftime.org/content/switz.html to teach any and all comers about tuning into the iron octahedron at the center of the earth and all them sorts of nifty newagey cageyness (bring 200 euri).

http://liecause.tripod.com/Arguelles-kin-con2.htm an observ-, rumi- and occasionally fulmination series on .. . yet another cult of absolutist claimants? .. . .with kind and kinky fractions fetish triggered bonds and feuds? . .. . a new age network with low and preferably even no budget but nevertheless global aspirations?

Ladies and gentlemen, your special attention for the greatest latest kin con.
The credibility conjury by these con kin features the added twist and spice of claiming Muhammed for an equal (never mind the prophet himself tried to cut off all competition preemptively by telling everyone he was to be the last. I can believe that instead of coercing women they somehow felt as strongly about him as he thought highly of himself and so they just fell at his feet in series of bunches and generously shared him and only him while reserving their attention for only him to though due to the fragmentation of their great numbers they must have had plenny of time on their hands. Judging from your charisma mr arguelles, you don't make the grade and that's only a very minor fault of yours in my eyes. Over the last few years I have again and again examined your antics and decided to collect them in one place, for greater conveyance convenience, redundancy and challenge; the continuation of my interest depends entirely on you being courteous enough to take me at least as seriously as I do you and if possible find the time/peace to answer.

Lycos-europe opened its digital doors some years ago and the 2nd generation homepagebuilder tripod who’s mother they started out with halved its hospitality soon after which prompted to move half of my full 40Mb into a lycos.nl domain; however, last month this site proved a lo-choice environment for me rather abruptly ( though I didn’t try to tempt them into replying with promises to shell out nor reregister with another moniker, .. . perhaps I still will some day, once you know the backway onto the upload page nothing works quicker).

Redeem and/or re-esteem your self On (promises, memos, any and all notes, notions, missives , messianysticisms and reputations.
What’s your preference? Do you stubbornly stick to your guns and try make up a fall-off in scheduled, staked out, self-inflicted or hoped and worked for goals with a redoubling of effort .. . … .OR .. .. . .do you delegate it all to the greatest of redeemers you can find or those whose minions you can’t avoid getting beleaguered by (that would especially be those (all the more aggressive to the exact degree they are) convinced they have the only real one to help you help yourself to/with. They stand ready to convince you that all variety of individual resistance, no matter how choice and choosable is/are futile.

… .. OR .. .. do you take the origin-of-memory-aid and motivational plan drawing and see if it holds up in the light of present day practical imperatives?

You issue your money, you attempt to pay with a believable voucher that you must expect and are preparing to see returning in demand of whatever promise/value it holds; such money is successfully solicited credit and advertising at once; it also comes to relieve you of stuff taking up space in your store room, that is if such supplies indeed made it from the moment where you pledged/projected and placed value/staked your reputation on the daring announcement that all will be well long before expiration date on said superpersonal money.

In light of the above you will know what I mean when I say that making jesus out to be a redeemer for no less than all sinners and disempowered schlemiels bereft of notions, tools and time for implication of scenario as just described, is preposterous not to say diabolic and I am not at all sure Jesus would enjoy the position he presently enjoys in the consciousness of various folk, simply bycause, of course, it contradicts redemption being possible but only by owner and only of what he owns up to – REDEEM YOUR OWN – as in ‘clean up your act’.

Consciousness weaves in and out of promising acts and states of being promising; touting some ball and chain removing Christ around the world bleeding whities found stow-away messzionysticisms hi-hopes for crowned glory slipstreaming in their wake.

Talk about Class Clash and opportunistic(ally faked) opposition. Brace yourselves for the second sweep of clever semites, ready to flaunt and fling delusional grandesse of the universal and wrathful head/main/chief(and all the other equally fucked up beglorificatory betitled)god variety.

Anspruch erheben is schon lange nicht mehr ansprechbar sein – I am sorry to be dependably there for those who wish it were otherwise.

Augury augury, a storm warning: Zionism sizzles greenery to dust and lions don’t live in jungles, much less sleep in them; the zionlion, king of creatures with his played out and tired features will soon stop eliminating jungle and the terminally, determinedly termitelike semites and siblings taken by the hand (a long time before they have a change of heart (battle of infectiousness is not a pretty sight but if you can choose between walls and dykes, which will it be?).

On the other hand if Zionism doesn’t dissolve and its formerly green spawning grounds don’t revive we won’t arrive at the glorious point in time and place where we can rejoice over the end of delusional respite and impunity. Tripod, Lycos, Microsoft, AIPAC, Chrysler/Daimler Corp. the Treasury and all other rooms out of many in my father’s mansion must no longer grow at the expense of motha’s garden. Why not stop space exploration? Why not teach the reach of pleach?

worth a gamble: lycos can't order tripod around

2005-08-04T21:36:00.000+01:00

. .. and I bet on the latter showing a little more gratitude or when push comes to shove to show me a little more courtesy/honesty and all that could stuff they need to forget in order to make money too often already.. ..

on the 4th of august 2005 the files that came about (at vadercats) this year were relaunched due to host lycos-europe giving out on me; new growing (top)tip: http://liecause.tripod.com - all files older than nov04.htm can be found using a similar url formula.

No longer awaiting better days I (poetpiet) decided to go ahead and lie to lycos (as punishment for not telling me why they discontinued hosting vadercats very abruptly) and switch from their european free space meddle/peddle back to mama tripod where perhaps I shall be allowed to allow running my messengeritis its full due course and continue my colourful pseudobloggage tote tout and teazery (even if it kills me) .. . off we go hoping to be here to stay, for the past few weeks (since google dropped the cache; don't know exactly when they did, I was up and around a mountain for 3 weeks) the youngest version in this soon enough 8 year old series at all available was already over a year old: vadercats/nov04.htm is the last file available by way of this roundabout route add any desired url after //web.archive.org/web/*/

my first thoughts and findings after pondering and searching for the unearthly reasons why my vadercats site blocked (just when I was going to do some copious referring to the historically very real poet/statesman from the 15th century (golden age founding?) Jacob Cats): lycos is blocked in china, in fact a ridiculous number of the sites listed as blocked on this page http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/China-M.html are hosted by lycos tripod

.. . .. .heh heh. .. .I just realize I am acting upon the assumption that lycos-europe will at best get the cast-offs from tripod (if they get anything at all anymore rather than orders to give in and keep the name prominent or some such thing) but are more likely dissociated from and certainly not beholden to them; registering for a tripod.com thing shows otherwise but I'll take the gamble.serious anti-semitism (the hostility to arabs variety) doesn't seem to appear to be a problem: http://members.lycos.nl/whatsthisthen/links.html the site seems to have stopped receiving additions in februari, not long after adding this: Miracles of Nineteen by CroMagnon (pbuh): faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=108647

see http://rotsstof.blogspot.com/2005/07/monumentally-new-moment.html for a relevant post

Don't be new to this too much longer now!!!!!!

2005-08-04T15:34:00.000+01:00

Juan Cole illustrated synopsis of neoconitis

Excerpt from the Hitman's dilemma (Keith Hart)

2005-08-03T18:54:00.000+01:00

Keith Hart (see the linklist)

Ordinary people exchange services as equals on the internet in their capacity as individuals endowed with personality and agency. The digital revolution, by radically cheapening the information attached to long-distance transactions, makes it possible for these individuals to enter several markets, notably those for credit, as persons with a known history. Governments and corporations need each other, for sure, but their interests are far from coincident. Both may be vulnerable to self-conscious use of internet resources by democratic movements aiming to subvert their respective monopolies.

The three classes of political economy

Resources ---- Environment - Money - Human creativity
Factors ----------- Land ---------- Capital -------Labor
Classes 1 ------- Landlords ------ Capitalists ----- Workers
Classes 2 ----- Governments -- Corporations -- - Persons
Income -----------Tax --------- Rent/Profit ---- Wages

In many ways, our world resembles the old regime of agrarian civilization and this is as a consequence of the unequal power concentrated in the hands of enforcers and rentiers. Hence the appropriateness of the term “information feudalism” for our era. The world is now witnessing the triumph of that “pseudo-aristocracy” of commercial monopolists that Jefferson once saw as the main danger to liberal democracy. It is as if the East India Company had never suffered the reverse of American independence.
We could do worse then than return to Ricardo’s focus on how wealth is distributed in human society and, in particular, on the contradiction between coercive demands for tax and rent and the formation of a world market where people in general might enjoy the benefits of the machine revolution, if they were left free to exchange goods and services as equals. This rather abstract formulation can be seen at work concretely in current conflicts over intellectual property rights.
The fight is on to save the commons of human culture, society and environment from the encroachments of corporate private property. This is no longer mainly a question of conserving the earth's natural resources, although it is definitely that too, nor of the deterioration of public services left to the mercies of privatized agencies. The internet has raised the significance of intangible commodities. Increasingly we buy and sell ideas; and their reproduction is made infinitely easier by digital technologies.
Accordingly, the large corporations have launched a campaign to assert their exclusive ownership of what until recently was considered shared culture to which all had free and equal access. Across the board, separate battles are being fought, without any real sense of the common cause that they embody. The “napsterization” of popular music, harbinger of peer-to-peer exchange between individual computers, is one such battle pitting the feudal barons of the music business against our common right to transmit songs as we wish. The world of the moving image, film, television and video, is likewise a site of struggle sharpened by fast-breaking technologies affecting their distribution and use. In numerous subtle and not-so-subtle ways, our ability to draw freely on a common heritage of language, literature and law is being undermined by the aggressive assertion of copyright. People who never knew they shared a common infrastructure of culture are now being forced to acknowledge it by aggressive policies of corporate privatization. And these policies are being promoted at the international level by the same US government whose armed forces now seem free to run amok in the world. But others, notably the European Union, are not far behind. In the case of the internet, what began as a free communications network for a scientific minority is now the contested domain of giant corporations and governments.
The free software and open source movement, setting Linux and an army of hackers against Microsoft's monopoly, has opened up fissures within corporate capitalism itself. The shift to manufacturing food varieties has introduced a similar struggle to agriculture, amplified by a revival of “organic” farming in the context of growing public concern about genetic modification. The pharmaceutical companies try to ward off the threat posed to their lucrative monopolies by cheap generics aimed at the Third World populations who need them most. The buzzword is “intellectual property rights,” slogan of a corporate capitalism determined to impose antiquated command and control methods on world markets whose constitutive governments have been cowed into passivity. The largest demonstrations against the neo-liberal world order, from Seattle to Genoa, have been mobilized to a significant degree by the need to oppose this particular version of global private property.

In my recent book on money, my first idea was that the cheapening of information transfers as a result of the digital revolution might allow the impersonal economy of the twentieth century to be “repersonalized,” by attaching more information to individual transactions and potentially granting individuals greater control over work, consumption and credit. But it did not take me long to realize that a fully personal economy would return us all to the world of gangsters, both medieval and modern.
We need new impersonal norms capable of standardizing social interactions where the nation-state can no longer reach – law, money, education, technology – the list is endless. So our task is not to replace impersonal society with personal life, but to discover new ways of combining them. The hit man’s dilemma is to be human or inhuman. It is a dilemma shared by kings, generals, presidents and CEOs, when they contemplate the human cost of an action undertaken on behalf of some collective interest. It probably won’t go away.
But I have argued in this essay that our ability to devise ways of curbing the undesirable effects of high-handed behavior on the part of the powerful has been deeply undermined by the legal culture granting business corporations the rights of living persons. The liberal revolution against the old regime -- especially, in view of later developments, the American war of independence – sought to grant free citizens equal (and therefore impersonal) rights in society. This meant being very clear about the difference between individual persons and impersonal institutions. Such a separation was intrinsic to the rise of modern capitalism, as we have seen. But capitalism took a bureaucratic turn in the late nineteenth century and this was the time that business corporations, beginning in the USA, sought to collapse the legal distinction between real and artificial persons. The impersonal society of the twentieth century flourished on this basis and, for many people, the idea that they might exercise personal responsibility in the economic or political spheres became simply inconceivable. Some intellectuals jumped onto the obvious corruption of liberal ideals to advocate a variety of anti-liberal ideologies, drawing on the same confusion of people, ideas and things that had become normal in economic law.
At the beginning of this present century, we have grown familiar with the spectacle of strong states and sometimes even stronger transnational corporations riding roughshod over human rights and international law itself in the name of the “free market,” especially for digital commodities. The struggle to reverse this “information feudalism” must take place at many different levels. Here I have argued that one of them might be to re-examine the metaphysics of where personal agency meets the impersonal conditions of its expression. We might begin by making such an enquiry explicitly historical. For the confusion of our times is fed by an indifference to history that allows the heirs of America’s anti-colonial revolution to reinvent the corporate monopolies of absolutist monarchy in the name of liberal democracy. If the Europeans can’t see through this, perhaps the Chinese, Indians or Brazilians will. We cannot return to the eighteenth century, but we can learn how we got from there to here in preparation for deciding what to do next.
To borrow one of John Locke’s preoccupations, we must deal with the semantic criminals who pollute our public discourse with their dissembling words. These are the hired spokesmen of the economic criminals who aim to hijack the machine revolution for their own immoral ends. George Orwell, where are you when we most need you? As for the notion that there is a difference between the operational standards of legal and illegal businesses, well, nobody believes that any more, do they? Yet at another level we accept the idea that plutocracy is in the general interest, as if the age of money were good for all of us equally. Perhaps it takes a Nixon to explode this doublethink, to show us that capitalism’s moral economy, resting as it does on the division of human experience into personal and impersonal spheres, is a dangerous illusion. I have already pointed out that the word “don” refers to both gangsters and academics. Each is willing to suspend their humanity in order to treat people as abstract ciphers, as a contract or just an idea. There may be more to the deconstructionist mafioso joke than was apparent at first.

Piet: Keith seems to have given up on lists such as this: http://www.oekonux.org/list-en/archive/index.html and I haven't even ever spotted him here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ijccr/messages (International Journal for Community Currency Research) - Todd Boyle shows up there less and less as well .. . . how high hopes unravel .. . .

best of recently explored authors: William Marina

2005-08-03T18:37:00.000+01:00

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/marina7.html Missing Officers by William Marina - july 2005

http://www.independent.org/aboutus/person_detail.asp?id=951 23 articles

http://www.why-war.com/news/author.php?name=William+Marina 7 articles from 2004

William Marina teaches History at Florida Atlantic University and is an Adjunct Scholar of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He has written extensively on the American Revolution as a People’s War.

http://www.why-war.com/news/2004/11/15/empiresa.html William Marina -
Empires as ages of religious ignorance; George W Bush's crusade and American fundamentalism
November 15, 2004
What is less understood is that all of the great empires in history have been characterized by a decline of reason and an increase in super-naturalist faith, combined with a belief in the empire with the emperor holding God’s “mandate” on earth.

Nick Szabo's articles, essays and concise tutorials.

2005-07-31T09:18:00.000+01:00

http://szabo.best.vwh.net/

Just finished reading 'Shelling out', one of the best text found online so far I dare say.

This man is a Todd Boyle slot snuggler 'of the first hour' as the Dutch have it (besides all the trouble ungenerousness therewith brings along). But I'll talk of an effectively and literally organizing taskforce protecting and pass partout affording tit for tat strategy including the right for all nations besides the US and Zion to hold and manufacture nukes at least and just as long as they themselves diabolically insist on doing so some other time. (Channeling the lamented Rob Schaap here.

Update --On Time
Why were two technologies from two very different crafts traditions -- the mechanical clock and the sandglass -- invented at the same time and place? ---- 94K
Update -- Scarce Objects
An architecture for usage control (not mere access control) for distributed objects interacting across trust boundaries.
Update -- Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money
The origins, functions and aesthetic, monetary, and security properties of proto-money.
Origins of the Non-Delegation Doctrine
An analysis of the delegation (or lack thereof) of the power to make law from the legislative to the executive branch in the early United States, uncovering some distinctions and factors that may shed light on modern non-delegation cases, and introducing representation distance and the principle of least authority as constitutional doctrines.
I delivered the keynote speech, on smart contracts, at the IEEE International Workshop on Electronic Contracting (WEC), San Diego, California, USA on July 6, 2004. Here are the slides from that talk.

I am no longer receiving mail at brain virus!

New
Objective Versus Intersubjective Truth The Market Translator
Hedging currency risks for multinational small business.
Concise Tutorials
Hermeneutics
The interpretation of traditional texts. Recommended by Yahoo! Directory and Google Directory.
An Introduction to Algorithmic Information Theory
WorldBook Encyclopedia top 10 reference for information theory. Here's a mailing list and other additional information on this topic. Also recommended by Google Directory.

Contracts with Bearer
How blinded digital cash works, and how it more generally provides a protocol for electronic bearer certificates and protecting scarce online resources.

Recent Essays and Papers
A Formal Language for Analyzing Contracts
Useful for financial cryptography, risk analysis, and accounting for the value of derivatives, combinations, and other sophsticated contracts.

Unforgeable Costliness A long-neglected area of economics unearthed.

Property Clubs
The once and future institution for protecting private property.

Advances In Distributed Security
The new paradigm of very highly probable, rather than absolutely certain, security has led to a raft of new possibilities for securing distributed applications. For the first time we can implement on the Internet crucial integrity properties and applications -- including synchronized clocks, unforgeable transactions, and censorship-proof publishing.

Rights, Remedies, and Security Models
Legal concepts and terminology can shed light on computer security problems, such as delegation of authority.

Scarce Objects
An architecture for usage control (not mere access control) for distributed objects interacting across trust boundaries.

Patterns of Integrity -- Separation of Duties
A recurring and reusable pattern for controlling dangerous functions.
Measuring Value and the Challenge of Accounting
Confidential Auditing
A better tradeoff between accountability and privacy.
Technological Protection of Rights

Formalizing and Securing Relationships on Public Networks
Smart contracts -- embedding rules in technology.

A Formal Language for Analyzing Contracts
A computer-readable language for drafting rules and analyzing their consequences, and for embedding rules in technology.
Contracts with Bearer
How blinded digital cash works, and how it more generally provides a protocol for electronic bearer certificates and protecting scarce online resources.
Secure Property Titles with Owner Authority
Secure agreements on name spaces and other property rights.
Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money
The nature and origins of money. Aesthetic, monetary, and security properties of collectibles.
The Playdough Protocols
Tamper evident techology and the protection of commerce.
On Time
The hourglass and mechanical clock -- how and why medieval Europe developed a secure system for specifying the time of events.

Most pieces are well small, far below a hundred K -- the additions below are introduced in the (first?) comment thusly: well well well, so I don't allow anon. comments eh???? whaddaya know? luckily I just posted this over in the tangent thread of hyperstition: .. .nah wait .. .I am gonna append it on the post since I have to log in anyways. .. . . I'll (be bad and beat / change /) remove (D: slecht also means bad) that hurdle soon; money shouldn't but bloggabberitis may be anonevermore

"L. Detweiler" <ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu>Tue, 02 Nov 93 23:52:05 -0700 I have long tracked the Internet debates on identity issues, such asanonymity, with zeal and commitment. Recently I have become very alarmed bythe very serious potential RISKS of a practice I've termed `pseudospoofing'.
In short, there are a few basic categories under which identities may fallunder in Cyberspace. (This is not a comprehensive list.)
`True Name' -- a person sends a message under their legal identity.
`Anonymously' -- features of the message indicate it could be from anyone. Onesuch feature would include origination from an anonymity server, such as thenow-famous Finnish server anon.penet.fi, operated for nearly a year by J.Helsingius.
`Pseudonymously' -- features of the message indicate it was issued under apseudonym other than a True Name. One might build up a reputation underdifferent pseudonyms. In a technical sense, anon.penet.fi aliases arepseudonyms.
.. .. .. . .. .
pseudostitiously quoting detweiler some more
In fact, they might develop an entire mythology, philosophy, even *religion*that promotes pseudospoofing as a liberating capability, and refine andespouse it on their public mailing list. This might include, for example,elevating instances of multiple personality disorder to legendary virtuousstatus. They would consistently talk about famous science fiction by respectedauthors that refers to the blurring of identities, even though it would notreally specifically address the issue of pseudospoofing, and implying that itdid was just another obfuscatory fabrication. The disinformation campaignwould be self-reinforcing: even outsiders, `real people', could themselvesbecome independent proselytizers after being sufficiently converted.
In promoting this philosophy, they would use the techniques of brainwashingand an illusion of peer pressure to manipulate unknowing subscribers. If anysubscriber expressed any doubt, the CryptoAnarchists could wage a concertedcampaign of mental assault on the victim both on the public mailing list andin private email, to the point that real people would feel isolated, alone,and unsupported -- but only because of the perceived consensus of nonexistentidentities.
fuck ain't cernunnos pseudo enough for at least the socalled animal lovers? how come they don't champion a little clandestine dust scrivery and photograph animals grazing down the writ for years to come?

over 5000 hits for "nick szabo"

http://diygames.com/index.php?p=619&more=1 Micropayments in Gaming
Mon, Jul 26 '04 -- intro with refs to Clay Shirky also .. .unsuprisingly enough (I caugth up with him while freshly arguing against micro-payments and I am getting less and less convinced these 2 are as wholistic as they are sharp). Shirky by the way is rather inactive at corante.com/many - this entry is interesting but 'old':
Posted at 09:26 PM Permalink Comments (4) TrackBacks (0) March 22, 2005

allen_on_altruism_and_group_size.php
Interesting speculation over on Life With Alacrity about Dunbar, Altruistic Punishment, and Meta-Moderation — Allen disucsses work on an agent-based simulation that suggests a phase transition from cooperating groups to Tragedy of the Commons scenarios at ~15 people, a much
2004/08/15/must_read_the_great_scam.php
.. .I mean .. .the damn idiot calls a game 'transporting' folks to space (bet you'd get a nice fit with the Wintermeter applied to the players) 'terrific' .. .. ???? depressing
no wait. .. he calls the account terrific . .. and a must read .. .. .????? Fuck that, I must not lust after losing the gravity of down to earth dust!!!!!

Blog explosion and insider's club; brothers in cluelessness
is this about my dashed hopes in the likes of Todd Boyle (who does useful work ((informing prospective draftees of the meanness they'd be well bloody 'propagating')) but should he have to if things went toward going well even ever so slightly?.
theiia.org/itaudit/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum&fid=216 God protocol (digital trust and trusty digits) Sources on Monetary History

Shelling Out - The Origins of Money by Nick Szabo. The precursors of money, alongwith language, enabled early modern humans to solve problems of ...www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/other.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages

etext.org/Politics/Extropy.Institute/szabo.032593
Uploading, Self-Transformation & Sexual Engineering * CopyLeft 1993, by Nick Szabo *

there's a site where both Szabo and Boyle show up in/on succesive items:
financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000500.html June 26, 2005 a post on Nick Szabo's Scarce Objects

financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000501.html June 26, 2005 Ian Grigg - Triple Entry Accounting
It was widely recognised since David Chaum's designs first appeared that the new 'digital certificate' model of money was not aligned or symmetrical with accounting techniques such as double entry book keeping. Many people expected the two to compete and indeed many money systems avoided combining them; this is I believe one of the few efforts to integrate the two and show them as better in combination than apart.

Triple Entry Accounting
The digitally signed receipt, an innovation from financial cryptography, presents a challenge to classical double entry bookkeeping. Rather than compete, the two melded together form a stronger system. Expanding the usage of accounting into the wider domain of digital cash gives 3 local entries for each of 3 roles, the result of which we call triple entry accounting. This system creates bullet proof accounting systems for aggressive uses and users. It not only lowers costs by delivering reliable and supported accounting, it makes much stronger governance possible in a way that positively impacts on the future needs of corporate and public accounting.

Comments below as always!
Posted by iang at June 26, 2005 07:46 PM TrackBack -- Comments

In the history section you refer to the "Greek empire". Is that the Byzantian empire (the eastern part of the Roman empire after the split) or the system of Greek city-states or Alexander's empire from before Roman conquest? An approximate timing (to the precision of a few centuries) would help.
As for the substance: Am I right in the interpretation that if all parties keep the signed receipts and recreate their ledger entries from those when they need them, they are safe? In the ePoint system, this is precisely what we do: the signed receipts are on disk, the assets/liabilities databases are constructed from scratch after starting the issuing server. Same for the client software.During the auditing process, the books are compared using standard accounting techniques, but from a computational point of view, there's no point in archiving anything in addition to the signed receipts, right?
Posted by: Daniel A. Nagy at June 27, 2005 08:02 PM

Regarding triple entry, been there done that.
Posted by: Todd (relevant links)

Iang responds to Daniel: That's it! Do you have any references I can cite to your designs or work as being similar or equivalent? That would help a lot as showing that others have independently arrived at the same conclusions adds a lot of weight.
It looks like you've maybe travelled the same path on a lot of things. We should probably get together and compare these things in more detail and start thinking of merging the good parts?
Posted by: Iang at June 28, 2005 08:43 AM

Some links on Todd's stuff to read:
http://ledgerism.net/GLT-GLR.htm
http://ledgerism.net/fbc.htm
http://www.ledgerism.net/STR.htm
http://ledgerism.net/rootledgerXML.htm
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=485/byt20001103s0001/index.htm

www.open-economy.org was hacked and remains out (after half a million page views in about 2 years time); it featured feeds from some of the nicest sites around, like ijccr, infoanarchy, commondreams, protest.net, interactivist and italy.indymedia -- you may view a google cache of this pleasantly tinted page (which I didn't get to use much due to positioning this stuff too low on my priority list though I did go to northern italy to scope out some community efforts some time before this site's demise ... sad. The sibling program www.socialforge.net is taking over.

LBO-talk list conversation snippets/samples

2005-07-30T12:06:00.000+01:00

all the following posts from: http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050718/

We have now published a streaming video version of our documentary from 2003 onto our website. It is in Arabic and Hebrew with English subtitles.

To watch it, click here:http://alternativenews.org/display.php?id=4435

Jerusalem 72% - 28% Living Apartheid

Since the occupation and illegal annexation of East Jerusalem in 1967,Israel has implemented a series of apartheid measures in order topreserve a Jewish majority in Jerusalem. With the construction of theSeparation Wall, Israel is now cutting Jerusalem off completely from thesurrounding Palestinian cities and villages.

A team from the Alternative information Center (AIC) met with residentsof East Jerusalem and the surrounding Palestinian areas to film therealities of the Israeli apartheid system. This film captures thecourage of Jerusalem residents and Palestinian and Israeli activists asthey engage in the daily struggle for the basic human rights ofPalestinians in Jerusalem.

The film was made from July to August 2003.

Director: Eran TurbinerDuration: 22 minutesProducer: The Alternative Information Center

The film was made in cooperation with the Basque Government/PTM

Also, I notice that the audio interview with Media Studies Prof. DanielDor of Tel Aviv University that I sent to the link for last week changed, so it is now here:
http://alternativenews.org/display.php?id=4434
Best wishes, Bryan ---- I wasn't impressed with that.

>>Patrick Cockburn :>>Iraq has descended into chaos way beyond West's worst-case scenario> http://www.sundayindependent.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=1042&fArticleId=2637594
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It was a little surprising to see two stories in today's NYT that concede >things are getting really bad:>> <..international/middleeast/24insurgents.html + ../weekinreview/24burns.html
If the official organs of reassurance are saying this, it must be getting really bad.

---------I was stunned to see those articles and would have posted them to the list but was already too overpostal re London developments.
Yes, the wheels really seem to be coming off the imperial Humvee in Iraq. What with repeated terrorism in London -- precipitating public *and* official panic -- plus the Sharm el Sheik bombs, world events appear unusually volatile now. History seems to have entered one of those speeded-up periods.
BTW, I think John Pilger had an excellent column on the linkage between the London bombings and Iraq: zmag.org/sustainers/content/2005-07/21pilger.cfm >
Carl

Pilger bilge on Iraq contested by marxist scholar on war, martinshaw.org/iraq.htm
-- Michael Pugliese

Michael Pollak however, post confirming info from: defensenews.com/story.php?F=918791&C=mideast Freely accessible copy: vfwpost1503.org/hot_topics.html
Defense NewsJune 20, 2005

Chuck Grimes wrote: >To a certain extent this is a distinction without much of a >difference. The current US-Euro imperialism via globalization of the >corporatized and western secular life is a concommittent to the >material and concrete processes of exploitation in foriegn lowest cost >labor markets. The social consequence of these economic processes must >be fairly destructive of the fragile societies they impact. The >fragility (and hence cheap labor) comes from the evident poverty and >loss of social cohesion that was already at work from prior >westernized impacts (some long list of dower historical events).

Leigh:
But if the causes of terrorism were poverty and globalization, why aren't Africans, Latin Americans, and East Asians the major perps? Why is it fairly educated people from Saudi Arabia and Leeds? -- DougWhy was the Cuban revolution led by a Columbia educated lawyer, and a dentist(...in his homeland that's "doctor"). Because they had the time and resources to do it? Because, when you are impoverished, simple survival takes most of your availabe time when you're digging through that garbage dump on the outskirts of town for something to eat? --

adam:
.yup... the rise of modern islamic fundamentalism (in the 70s and 80s) was driven by university students just as was most revolutionary maxism in latin america. see the works of nikki keddie for example. sociologically, these movements arise not in response to static poverty per se but from frustration set by rising expectations and so tend to be initially supported by middle class youth. --

Wojtek:
.The J-curve theory of social movements. But it goes only as far as explaining why people join ANY movement challenging the status quo (i.e. the "push-factor"). They do not explain, however, why people join a PARTICULAR movement (i.e. the pull-factor). Why did Latin American students were attracted to radical Marxism, while Arab students to radical Islamism? Or for that matter, why are the frustrated US students attracted to anything from Christo-fascism to rap and to anarchism? I think that the resource mobilization approach, which concentrates on the supply-side of social movements (i.e. agents whose goal is to mobilize a particular constituency) does a better job. Islamism became popular because it was popularized by mobilization agents - e.g. Islamic clergy with access to Saudi money and Western communication resources.

Jenny deals the Puggal a severe blow: http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050718/015378.html I'll google global+wave+of+democracy right after I get finished reading the 10568 results from domestic+tsunami+of+reactionary+weasels.

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050718/015282.html another good woj post in the 'identity war, fartback' thread http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050718/015296.html this one however shows woj completely distorting the evidence; hamas is to a large extent a charitable institution and agitates on the side in much the same way woj argues the Us does (with the significant difference that hamas does not hypocritically pretend to have/aim for low coll. damage figures).

Wojtek:
My point is that it would be a gross distortion of facts to judge countries like the US solely on the basis of the war on Iraq - there is much much more to this country than this war - which is an unfortunate episode, but an episode nonetheless.
It would also be a gross distortion of facts to judge the jihadist bombers on the basis of anything else than their terrorist acts, because there is not much into their entire cause but mad bombing. The few lines from Quaran are but an insignificant window dressing, a mere footnote to their activity.

.. . . . . .

But the scale of the crime, you see, is so immense that it casts a very longshadow...like a battering husband who, despite whatever interesting and laudable character elements he may possess, is known mostly for his terrible brutality.
So I agree there's much more to the US -- which is, of course, my home, the place that shaped me from birth and which I both enjoy and fear to varying degrees on a weekly basis -- than "episodes" such as Iraq.

I also agree that Jihadis do not enjoy a similar sort of complexity andmultifacetedness. They are not revolutionaries (at least, not in any productive sense) but delusionally fixated on achieving purity-via-violence. Origins can be reasonably debated, but the present form is what it is. I don't want to die horribly because I was unfortunate enough to sit in a cafe targeted by a suicide bomber. No one else should have to die this way. So, no romanticism of the mad bomber from me.

But these American "episodes", as you put it, dating from the founding, have been dramatically destructive and there's little indication there won't be future such episodes (indeed, there's a sizable domestic constituency rooting for just that). The tendency to do tremendous damage becomes, over time, certainly not the only feature but the one which makes others increasingly difficult to accept with unalloyed appreciation.

No, I'm not talking about naive liberal guilt but something else...a profounddiscomfort, a deep unrest caused by the knowledge that missiles are hittingtargets and bombs are pulverizing lives to dust...often...and my complex, lovely, ugly, generous, hateful, foolish, creative motherland is the source of this woe.
.d. www.monroelab.net

That's very odd. You set aside the tens of thousands ofdeaths caused by a policy formed by a complex politicalprocess as "an episode" that cannot be used to judge the US.Yet you insist that the jihadist bombers -- responsible forfar fewer deaths -- must be judged solely "on the basis of ...their terrorist acts, because there is not much into theirentire cause but mad bombing." But we know that the views ofthe 9/11 terrorists (opposition to Iraq sanctions, Palestinianoppression, and corrupt US-backed governments in the Gulf) --and probably those of the London bombers -- are shared by manypeople who condemn their crimes. --CGE

You're leaving out the whole restoration of thecaliphate, restoration of an idealized version ofshraiah, and that 99% of all Muslims since the deathof Muhammed are basically apostates which is why theMuslim world is in such a mess, views of the 9/11terrorists.

Chris Doss:
Those ideas are the conceptual ground of the wholeideology! It's as if people were focusing on theanti-Versailles aspect of the Nazis and ignoring thatwhole "Jews must die" thing.
Nu, zayats, pogodi!
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http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050718/015390.html 'flolow' up .. . 'Western states have created the biggest wars in history ( was fartback)'
a rather heavy thread, not for the timid. . and that's not bycause of posts like this one:
And CB has of coarse looked at scholarly sources on this.And readup on the 2-3 million killed in the Congo in the 90's, 800,000 inRwanda, slaughter in Algeria, http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/alge-j30.shtml http://www.google.com/search?q=estimated+deaths+20th+century+wars Clodfelter, Michael Warfare and Armed Conflict: A Statistical Reference to Casualty andOther Figures, 1618-1991

Clodfelter Vietnam in Military Statistics (1995)

Correlates of War Project at the University of Michigan[http://www.correlatesofwar.org/]: Online summaries for inter-, extra-and intra-state wars after 1816. (correlatesofwar site file) Singer, J. David, and Melvin Small (1972).
The Wages of War,1816-1965: A Statistical Handbook. New York: John Wiley.Small, Melvin, and J. David Singer (1982).
Resort to Arms:International and Civil Wars, 1816-1980. Beverly Hills, Calif.: SagePublications.Harff, Barbara & Gurr, Ted Robert: "Toward an Empirical Theory of Genocides and Politicides", 32 International Studies Quarterly 359 (1988). Has a table of 44 genocides committed between 1945 and 1988.
Dan Smith, The State of War and Peace Atlas (1997)(previous editions, co-edited by Trotskyist Michael Kidron. CB won't like it.)
-- Michael Pugliese----------

Lance: I'm not sure how dumb Pugliese thinks the people he is trying topeddle this on are. These are all countries which are poster childrenof what happens as a result of western imperialism. The Congo wascolonized by Belgium, and Mobutu was put in place by Belgium (and theUS). How about the 1964 massacre in Stanleyville? Rwanda is anotherbasket case - the German and Belgian's local overseers, the Tutsis,tried to overthrow the government in 1990, and the Hutus attempts toprevent this subjugation is called a "genocide" for defendingthemselves against this attack. In which the west took the side oftheir former overseers, what a surprise. Do I even have to go intoFrance and Algeria? There could have been a slaughter in France overAlgeria in the 1950's over Algeria, forget Algeria.
And you're trying to use the political troubles decades after moredecades of colonialism (which continues in a more subdued form rightup to the present) as an example of what can happen in countries nottouched by western influence? Please.

CB: This seems patently and grossly false. The main western government, the U.S., is more terroristic than the petit terrorists, because the U.S. has bigger and more bombs. Shock and awe is the biggest form of terrorism right now. Surely you don't buy that guff about "limiting collateral damage"."Considerable restraint" ?! You must be trippin' !@ The U.S. indulges inmass slaughter more than anybody. ( Although it keeps egging others on to match them, endangering me and mine).
The U.S. military budget is not marginal. The U.S. has terrorist military bases all around the world. "Join the Navy. See the world. Meet new and interesting people. Learn how to kill them. "
I realize Wojtek gets the list prize for ruthless criticizer of all thatexists, but it causes him to take reactionary positions sometimes. I can't tell whether he is serious or "it" is serious. Anyway , gotta call him on it when he does it. ---CB

WS, CB, et al,The comparison of the relatively feeble efforts of "terrorism" to the exercise of power of organized nation states and globalised corporate business is pathetic. Political volunteerism [Gramsci's terminology] is the surest sign of the political military weakness of a movement and systematic martyrdom the refuge of the militarily and politically incompetent. The reduction of global opposition to the inordinately and irresponsibly powerful to self-immolating volunteers moved largely by magical belief in the metaphysical justice of their cause is a sad commentary on the state of progressive leadership at the beginning of the 21st century.
While the critics and activists engage in melodrama, and like it or not 9-11 and most of the actions like it, are just drama, the truly powerful focii of productive and political force develop and employ ever more effective means to practical control of world conditions. The impunity with which powerful nation states such as the US, France and Russia employ the most coercive forces on the nearly leaderless masses in the interests of irresponsible elites, local and global is completely disproportionate to the violent thrashings about of political absurdities like the International Jihad, the anti-globalisation movements, and others like them. Nor should we expect it to be otherwise. He who can overcome the obstacles to realisation his objectives will do so.To discuss the exercise of power, and particularly the military projection of power, in terms of who is more or less awful is at best a fruitless exercise in advanced scholastics. The exercise of power is held in check only by countering power, and power resides in united and organized forces with relevant and clear objectives. It is the critical work of organizing the opposition to unchecked and irresponsible exercise of power that the progressive leadership has discarded in favour of melodrama and moral criticism, and it is their preference for drama (the activists) and moral criticism (the theoreticians) that has played a most central role in bringing them and the people whom they claim to represent to the distressing situation of their current powerlessness.
Oudeyis

Dwayne, I am glad that you (and Chris) picked the not-so fine point of myargument that it pertains to liberal democracies rather than a-historical"Western states" (whatever that is) - which is commendable in the light ofthe apparent reading comprehension problems others seem to be having. I canonly say that I am well familiar with the Third Worldist trope wanting us tobelieve that the world lived in peace in prosperity until the emergence ofWestern Europe and the US, which introduced war, poverty and misery. I alsounderstand that this is a religious belief that is immune to empiricalrefutation, so why bother.
I would thus want to limit my reply in this thread to the point youspecifically raise, namely that liberal democracies failed to completelyeradicate violence and poverty within its borders and the to the existenceof the vast military force created by these democracies that is capable of alarge scale destruction.
Both points are factually true, but in order to evaluate their gravity weneed to put them in the proper comparative perspective. If judged againstsome abstract ideal of democracy and prosperity that never have of willexist - then yes, liberal democracy is a failure. But if judged against anyother empirical societies and political systems - liberal democracy scoresmuch better in eradicating poverty, income inequality, interpersonalviolence, and international conflicts and wars. Not prefect - but better.
What is more, liberal democracies are far better in showing restraint inusing force than any other social or political form. By your own admission,the destructive capacity of the liberal democracies is unprecedented inhistory - yet that capacity has never been used to the degree coming evenclose to its full potential. That in sharp contrast to other that liberaldemocracy states or political entities that not only were more likely toengage in an armed conflict or violence, but also more likely to use theirfull destructive potential - nut just military but paramilitary genocide aswell.

So I would like to reiterate that the world would be a much better place if all countries became liberal democracies Western-style. Far from being perfect, to be sure, but considerably better than the status quo.

Another point, you seem to grossly overestimate the capacity of the United States to influence international politics and events. This, I believe is the flip side of the US exceptionalism - US has to be exceptional;, either exceptionally good or exceptionally bad, but always exceptiojnal. The truth is that while the US has considerable pull due to its sheer size, its capacity to actually control international events is rather limited. Emannuel Todd (_After the Empire_) made that point quite eloquently, and those interested can read his book. What I would like to add is that while the US influence seem larger than that of other countries in absolute terms, this is not true when we control for the size of the US resources (financial and political). I would go as far as saying that the US does not get as much international bang for the buck as some smaller countries.

Wojtek
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Michael Pugeliese Quotes: Land and faith --- Arab Human Development Reports 2003 from the UNDP. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/89htm The report went on to explore the shortage of three essentials. The authors state that lack of freedom, knowledge and women's rights hold the Arabs back from greater development and from reaching their full potential in comparison to more advanced nations. "This freedom deficit undermines human development and is one of the most painful manifestations of lagging political development," the report says. The global wave of democracy has barely reached the Arab states In many Arab countries, poverty and illiteracy have reached staggering levels; health care has deteriorated significantly in some countries; human rights abuses are widespread; jails swarm with "prisoners of conscience"; freedom of expression is confined to empty promises; when positive change takes place, it is slow and insufficient. The report concludes that "the global wave of democracy has barely reached the Arab states". Land and faith The authors avoid making the Arab-Israeli conflict either a cause of, or an excuse for, the region's failings. However, the report contains references to the circumstances of the Palestinians living under occupation or as refugees, and its overview contains a section that refers to the paralysis of political and economic life across the Arab world due to the conflict. On another delicate topic, the role of Islam in Arab human development, the report presents two views; the first affirming Islam as championing justice, peace, tolerance and all good things in society. The second claims that previous reaches into Islamism, either by governments (carefully avoiding names) or societies, had so far created counter-productive consequences between inflexible and stifling authority and disempowered publics. --

----- The authors avoid making the Arab-Israeli conflict either a cause of, or an excuse for, the region's failings.

Leigh: That's a good thing because Israel is a client state for western interests and the arabs... Well, what's left of nomadic cultures make an easy target in the 21st century. But that's ok, we'll leave when the oil runs out.

I paraphrase a not so old proverb from the region: My grandfather rode a mule I grew up riding mules and then there were cars My son rides in a car My grandson will ride a mule once again. (visualize an arabic smiley face) Central Asia will be tougher... rare earths, Chromium, Mangese...more We'll be developing client states there and fighting there long after the oil runs out. It's just starting to get hot. If you are looking for solutions... ask "What If". As in "What if I managed to change the national interests of MY country?"

James Heartfield: "What if AQ is just saying: Fuck YOUR definition of democracy, our culture & societies have worked just as well as yours, and you'll leave us alone now... and we might have to kill a few of you to impress you that we mean it, and a certain percentage of muslims in every country in the world believes that... Including Iraqis."

I hope that this is a parody, for your sake, and that I am making a mistake in replying to it. Leigh imagines Osama bin Laden as a kind of Jim Belushi, saying 'FUCK YOU', which just shows that he is projecting his own western adultescent angst onto Al Qaida. <...>

Piling error upon error, he imagines that Al Qaida want to defend 'our culture and societies' when they have been at war with most of the Arab and Muslim world since their inception. Their published ideology promises to overthrow Arab 'culture and society', which is corrupt.

<...> Well... mostly the arab governments ARE corrupt, and you really need to look at those pictures of the gateway to Makka and ask yourself a few hard questions about who represents who's long term best interests. I never said that fundamentalism wasn't anachronism, and the depth of UBL's religosity is unknown to me, and you. Maybe he found the lord... like ollie north, and so many other American military/political scum. GWB thinks their type of christianity is the lord's way. Why shouldn't devout muslims think UBL is just ok with them? Because they're muslims? Because they kill people for reasons the people being killed don't (or don't want to) fathom? No one (normal western psychology) thinks they are deserving of death. Ollie North and his ilk were murderers as well. Western society wasn't screaming bloody murder about him as his goon squads were murdering people alll over latin america... Training people how to drop blindfolded vicitms from aircraft into the ocean. It should be apparrent by now that what the west is doing to counter whatever AQ and the muslim fundamentalists are planning and doing is NOT WORKING. They are saying fuck you with ak47s and bombs. Their "angst" is pretty deadly, not adolecent at all, and pardon me, but perhaps your perception of my motives for speculating is adolecent? You very well should be asking "what if", or you'll be saying WTF! for a long long time. It's not a game... or a movie. They will keep trying to kill you, and me. That's what I do know with some degree of certainty. (but we're still infinitely more likely to get hit by a car in a marked crossing). Everything else I know about AQ, has been filtered through the western perception of muslim fundamentalists and AQ/UBL. You too. Except perhaps UBL's pre-election speech, where he states quite plainly that we, as individuals, are responsible for what our governments are doing in that region of the world. You should read it. Oh I'm sorry.. Charles Brown bowed out of responsiblity for the U.S. government's actions in another thread. Looks good in print. But the reality of the situation is quite different.

Doug: "Then imposing sharia, under which I'm sure Leigh would thrive."

I'm not muslim, I wouldn't thrive, thanks. (kosher laws never did much for me either) "Sharia" reads alot better than "islamo-fascist", which reminds me of how the word "communist" and "gook" were bandied about at other times. "Islamo" is a nasty attempt to depersonalize the muslim faith. Keep talking... Keep dying. If you want a holy war you got it... I don't think one single person that lives in the west is capable of planning and executing the the simplest modifications of a culture that is totally, uttery foreign to the basic logic of industrial society and linear time. Even an expat, or a student who lives outside the region is changed, much as many American change when they live overseas for extended perioids in the general population of the country of residence. Expats are the people who wield the secular power in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. The modifications include: Banking & finance Women's rights Government policing. policy, and suppression action against tribal groups that have been autonomous since prehistory... More... I could make a very long list. Look, Bechtel couldn't even build apartment houses fit to live in around Kabul. Too much glass and concrete. Too hot in the summer Too cold in the winter We're supposed to help them build "democracy? We can't even build a house to fit the culture and region. You say we learn from the mistakes? I say that's alright when you are building a house, not a "new" society. The west is kidding itself into thinking it has ANYTHING to offer the muslim world that they truly need, because it's alot easier to kid than face the truth of the matter.

Wojtek Sokolowski proposed: It is an unquestionable fact that Western democracies created unprecedented peace and prosperity, thus ending the state of perpetual war that characterized earlier stages of development. Whatever we can think of the ethical and aesthetic values (or lack thereof) of commercialism and liberal democracy - it is an undisputed fact that liberal democracies are considerably less likely to go to war than any other form of polity. There is a reason for the phrase Pax Britannica or Pax Americana - after all it, it is peace with incidental episodes of war as opposed to, say, 30- or 100- year wars that used to go on. It is also an indisputable fact that everyone, from Meji Japan, to Soviet Russia, to China, Latin America and Africa want to emulate the success of western/northern liberal democracies... Unprecedented Peace, Prosperity... success.

They are beautiful words that apply to a truly miniscule portion of the world population. And it's very very unlikely that the rest of the world will get the peace and prosperity in a manner that's... "holistic", not coerced by circumstance and outside interest. Recent classic example at the G8 ag conference. The west is pushing GMO crops on Africa to help feed people. The African ag ministers said 'We usually don't have problems growing the crops... distribution is the problem. We need infrastructure... roads.' Here a transcript: West: Heh? What did you say? You need GMO crops? We've got those. Africa: No no infrastructure! Roads. Modern secure storage facilities... West: Sorry. We don't have that...(looks around to see if China overheard.) Africa: But that's what we need, GMOs aren't going to help West: Heh? Africa:.... West: How's the price of your coffee and cotton crops doing in our rigged markets? Africa: Neevvermind! West: How about them Yankees! (Arsenal... pick a team) Africa:Heh? West: Neeeveeermind! Africa: (Looks stage left, sees China) Hey China! I heard about that nifty new railroad project in the Phillipines. Care to build some roads for us? China:(Gets cut off rudely by west...) West: Now, now Africa... Be nice... buy our products... hell, take 'em we're givin' 'em away... or else something baaaad might happen to the price of your coffee & cotton and you waon't have a pot to piss in, no less pay china for those shiny new roads. Do we do this deal, or do we supply weapons, logistics and funding to rebel groups in your country that you've never even heard of? (under breath: because we create them)? Africa: That's BLACKMAIL! West: We call it business. =8'> I want to reply to that post on a point by point. Tommorrow overposted.